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Interesting catch and release article
I found this to be an informative article on catch and release.

This one of many I have read over the past few months on this subject.

Sorry, but links to other sites containing forums is not allowed. Here is the article. Kent



"Catch and release not an ‘extreme’ sport By George Kramer “Europeans are crazy!” Or so says the drummer in the Volkswagen commercial. But unless you happen to have a secret bank account there, you may not be aware of what’s going on in Switzerland (even Germany) these days. But you should. Taking effect next year, catch-and-release fishing will be banned there, thanks to the Swiss Federal Parliament. Thanks also go to animal rights activists here and around the world—and unwittingly, perhaps, some of that blame will even reach our over-zealous bassing crowd. Animal rights zealots aren’t going away. Their extreme stance is almost a religion for those individuals and groups and putting a stop to fishing is just one of their “golden calves.” Yet bass fishermen continue to hold their own services in empty livewells. We really haven’t helped the situation when it comes down to the core principle we should embrace: that catch and release is a fishery management tool to be used smartly with each specific fishery. It is not an altruistic lifestyle issue as so many have made it. It is not an issue of good and bad. It is certainly not a reason to brow beat recreational fishermen who want to take their bass home—at least some of them. Catch-and-release, slot limits, closed areas or habitat introduction should be employed to maximize productivity in a given body of water. Such approaches accomplish certain things for reasons of management—they are not put in place so the bass fisherman can look good for his peers. Or think he looks good. Obviously, catch and release is not a bad thing by design. That is not my point. I’ve lived through the era where tournament catches were paraded through town in the backs of pickup trucks. Good fishermen taking advantage of generous bag limits can and will over-harvest. But taken to its extreme, pure catch-and-release policies ultimately end up with over-populations, stunted and stressed fish, and often, a sudden crash in bass numbers. Even worse, the concept of sport fishing among bass fishermen has actually helped the cause of anti-fishing attitudes and now, even international legislation. And here’s how it happens. The extremists, facing the opposition by those with traditional subsistence practices found in so many cultures, cannot argue that fishing actually sustains life. It grates them, but they admit that some fish must be sacrificed for this necessity. However, that’s where it ends for the animal rights advocates. As radical as it seems to us, they believe that if you really are concerned for the fish, you won’t just release them; you shouldn’t even stick a hook in their chops. And thus, when the bass guys bust the chops of some of the “take-home” guys, you reinforce the extremist view that there really is no good reason for fishing. We say it can never happen here, but get this. According to the international fishing trade organization EFTTA, the wording of that new Swiss law says, “...it is not permitted to go fishing with the ‘intention’ to release the fish.” Trying to legislate against intent is pretty scary in itself. But it most certainly should alert us to be smart, not extreme, about our conservation views. Let’s not help the other side."
(This post was edited by kentofnsl on Apr 15, 2009, 10:25 AM)
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Re: [smallmouthman] Interesting catch and release article In reply to
ShockedShockedShocked Wow thats crazy but very interestinggggg.

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I have read articles like this in the past In reply to
 and that is nuts
(This post was edited by remo_5_0 on Apr 15, 2009, 10:50 AM)
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A request in advance --

Fellow anglers, I realize that this a "hot topic" on our forum and I ask in advance to respect the views of others regarding this subject. Wouldn't it be nice to have this topic discussed once without having to edit and delete numerous posts and then eventually lock the thread?


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Re: [smallmouthman] Interesting catch and release article In reply to
Europe is crazy, golly gee why would we want to be like them ( Obama and the Dems). Regarding Catch and Release however. I practice C&R on most of the waters I fish, except Flaming Gorge and Lake Powell. There, the Biologists have determined that keeping some fish under 12 inches is a good thing. Our situation here in the west is far different from what is going on in the South East and Midwest. We do not put the angling pressure on warmwater species the way they do, i.e. Stripers at Powell, hence the special regs. Go to Texoma in Ok/Tx. and they have 200X's the fisherman pursuing Bass, Crappie, Stripers, etc., hence limits and more restrictive regs. Here, we have more restrictive regs on places like Strawberry, Schofield, etc because that is where the pressure is. Each fishery is different and we need to be aware of what is going on, but stay in touch with the biologist for that water and follow their recommendation.
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Re: [Therapist] Interesting catch and release article In reply to
I have often been counseled in the direction of total catch & release which caused me to spend a great deal of time searching out articles on the subject and also to
contact the DWR and asked their advise.

They advised me that total catch & release of bass is not always the best idea, even in our local reserviors, and to not be afraid to take a few of bass home once and a while, especially the smaller ones.

From all of the reading I have done over the last few months, I have come to believe that, as long as you follow the limit rules laid down by your states fishery managers, such as the DWR, it's perfectly fine to harvest a few bass now and then.
(This post was edited by smallmouthman on Apr 16, 2009, 10:44 AM)
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Good article, thanks for posting it. I agree 100% with the author that the animal rights zealots are not going away. In my occupation, I see this firsthand and I believe that we will see the political power of these people increase, not decrease. It may be reassuring to some of you to joke about the "crazy Europeans" and figure that this cannot happen here. However, I believe that it is not a matter of "if" but "when". It will likely start in more urbanized areas and possibly spread. What can be done? PETA and their allies have been attacking the practice of C&R as cruelty and the point the author makes is valid. However, there is more that can be done by us. The best thing I would say is to be a good citizen afield. PETA feeds on publicity and misdeeds by anglers fuel their propaganda machine. I would also humbly suggest that some things that generate some mirth here, such as graphic pictures and stories of mutilated chubs and carp, are nuclear fuel for PETA types to use on uninformed politicians and groups of urban college students to generate donations and sway public and political opinion. It will not be the animal rights zealots that potentially pass a Switzerland type law, it will be a swayed general public that is of the opinion that fishermen are animal hating torturers.


As for the issue of C&R zealots, I think this guy nailed it. C&R is not the answer every time, in spite of what some here will pontificate. The DWR has begged anglers to harvest fish in certain fisheries as has been listed in the proclamation from 2006-8, yet we still have people freaking out when some fish are harvested. Examples abound of places that could use harvest of small bass and especially walleyes. As bassers, we need to educate folks that keeping some small and medium fish can at many times be beneficial. (While pointing out that the bigger ones should usually still be released).





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Re: [doggonefishin] Interesting catch and release article In reply to
Excellent commentary. Good points to consider...
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Re: [smallmouthman] Interesting catch and release article In reply to
Good article with a level-headed viewpoint.

Selective harvest is where it's at in my mind. For some places, selective harvest will mean releasing all fish, while at others it may require keeping nearly everything. Trying to do what's best for the resource to achieve the management goals.

However, I don't understand the mindset of those who always keep the bigger(est) fish they catch. They are the most difficult and expensive (resource wise) fish to produce, and the thing everyone wants. So why immediately reduce your chances of catching the very thing you want to catch? It's akin to shooting yourself in the foot - maybe both feet IMO.

As far as the zealots, heaven help us!Unsure

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(This post was edited by ParrMark on Apr 16, 2009, 10:17 AM)
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Re: [doggonefishin] Interesting catch and release article In reply to
When you think about what "fishing" really is, you are physicaly removing a wild creature from it's natural enviorment via a hook impaled in it's mouth attached to line attached to a rod with a winding device on it. If you did this to a duck or a squirrel you would be locked up. How can you defend fishing ???Unless you are eating the fish, there is NO WAY you can say it beneficial to the fish. I have been fishing my whole life, but when you get down to it, you are getting enjoyment out of abusing a wild creature. O.K., Let the onslaught of negative comments begin ! LOL
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Re: [jacksonlaker] Interesting catch and release article In reply to
RE:"How can you defend fishing ???Unless you are eating the fish, there is NO WAY you can say it beneficial to the fish. I have been fishing my whole life, but when you get down to it, you are getting enjoyment out of abusing a wild creature. O.K., Let the onslaught of negative comments begin ! LOL"

No negative comments here. Your point is valid. It also is one of the points of the original article. I do feel however that you CAN make a strong ethical argument that SELECTIVE catch and release used as a management tool to MAXIMIZE the potential sustainable productivity (read harvest) of a given fishery IS ethical. For instance, C&R (and preservation) of the large spawning females allow more small fish to appear that can be harvested for food. That we derive enjoyment from catching these fish repeatedly (as well as the ones that are kept) is a nice side benefit.

The thing that must be remembered here is that the militant PETA type views ALL animal use as unethical. That includes all fishing and hunting, meat eating, dairy production, even the keeping of pets. Attacking specific aspects of activities they disapprove of like C&R fishing is just one step of many in their efforts of slowly imposing their worldview.





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Re: [smallmouthman] Interesting catch and release article In reply to
Great article. However, I am not particularly worried about a law like this. Even if a law like this was passed here in the states... getting people to enforce it would be next to impossible. Any fish that I didn't plan on keeping would just accidentally slip out of my hands.
Reguardless, it is never cool to see these nutjobs getting things accomplished in the political arena.
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RE:"How can you defend fishing ???Unless you are eating the fish, there is NO WAY you can say it beneficial to the fish. I have been fishing my whole life, but when you get down to it, you are getting enjoyment out of abusing a wild creature. O.K., Let the onslaught of negative comments begin ! LOL"


So ???? It's a fish- I do not intentionally abuse any fish I catch- even carp- but I make no bones about it that I am there to enjoy myself. If something happens that a fish dies or I release it because I was just there for the rush- my sleep will not be poor that night.
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Re: [packfish] Interesting catch and release article In reply to
Selective harvest is one of the best tools for producing a solid, balanced fishery. Complete catch and release can be beneficial on certain waters for certain species, but it can also be extremely harmful for certain species on certain waters. Personally, I fish tiger muskies, so I am 100% catch and release, and I would be that way no matter what the law required, it just so happens that the law here requires it, which I am thrilled about.

Regarding fishing being "bad" for fish, I'd love to see an article (scientific) that clearly states that fish feel pain. This article shows a monumental win for PETA. This is just another step towards their ultimate goal of completely eliminating fishing. Fish do not feel pain in the human sense of it. They have no emotion, but PETA has been able to apply human qualities to fish, and get support. Is fishing beneficial to fish? No, but are fish the top of the food chain? When did the supreme court rule that fish had the same rights as humans? I'd be very careful of how much support I'd give to this new law.
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Re: [Pointerpride102] Interesting catch and release article In reply to
Aaaa, the classic catch and release vs catch and keep argument. I say to each his own. As long as someone is following the law laid out for that specific water, they are okay in my book. Whether that means catching and keeping, or catch and release, it mattereth not to me.

I can't remember the last time I kept a fish I caught. I'm no bass pro. The only bass I've ever caught were about 5 inches on a tributary to FG where I was fishing for trout and the bass hit my fly. But when it comes to trout, I keep them when I'm cooking them over a camp fire while in the hills. Other than that, EVERYTHING goes back. I do it simply because I love it. There isn't a person on here who fishes out of necessity. So that argument is weak at best. You could buy any amounts of fish you wanted at the store for much cheaper than it costs to outfit yourself for fishing if you needed to eat fish for survival.

Like I said, to each his own. If you love to eat fish, keep the legal ones and eat em! If you don't love to eat fish, let em go for someone else to catch. Either way, we all do this because we love to fish. Not out of necessity.

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RE:"Aaaa, the classic catch and release vs catch and keep argument"


I don't believe that this is about the "classic" C&R vs. hook and cook argument. The real question ultimately posed by the original article and some of the subsequent discussion is whether it is "ethical" to derive enjoyment from pestering (or harming or whatever word you wish to use) fish in the act of catch and release fishing with no intent by the angler to keep fish at any time for consumption. Society still views harvest and consumption of fish as acceptable worldwide. However, as the Swiss law demonstrates, some lawmakers, egged on by animal rights activists, are examining whether C&R fishing represents unneccessary "animal cruelty". I have no doubts that eventually, this will be taken up in our legislatures and courts here in the States, and our next generation of lawyers will be answering it, one way or another. I am not claiming that it is cruelty to C&R. I don't feel that it is, assuming it is properly done. I also feel that the "jury" is still out on "scientific" evidence one way or another. However, it is something that fishermen ought to think about and that we may need to be able to prove to the general public when the issue is brought up by PETA to your local legislature.

(Full disclosure, I am mostly a C&R fisherman keeping only a few perch and panfish, almost no bass, a few high country trout and rarely some trout when ice fishing.)





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Re: [doggonefishin] Interesting catch and release article In reply to
I have to respectfully disagree that this will ever become an issue in Utah. I can't speak for any other state, but we sell more than 400K fishing licenses per year. It is a major activity with a VERY strong foundation in our historical background. This is deep in the roots of our heritage, and even non-fishermen accept that.

PETA and their kind will have to do a lot more than raise concerns over catch and release to affect fishing in Utah.

No saying to go out and be obnoxious about it, but I really don't think this will ever even see the light of day in the United States, let alone Utah. But I didn't think it would happen anywhere....so what do I know????

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RE"I have to respectfully disagree that this will ever become an issue in Utah."

I actually agree with you that Utah would be an unlikely place for this to be pursued, especially initially.

RE"I really don't think this will ever even see the light of day in the United States, "

This is the problem. I would submit that it is highly possible, especially in some of our highly liberal legislatures in some of our urbanized "blue" states. But I guess time will tell. On this one, I would greatly prefer to be wrong.





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I agree with lov2fish.

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