Fishing

I am somewhat convinced there is a fall turnover, but is there a true spring turnover? How deep does a lake have to be to have a turnover? I am thinking Willard doesn't, nor Utah Lake?

excuse My ignorance, but what is a fall or spring turnover?

lakes start to cool from their summer highs and then start to "bloom" with alage (sp)





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yah I really dont see that at utah lake

Lake turnover depends on a number of factors, including depth, water temp, ambient air temp, the formation of ice on the surface, etc.

For example, I would be surprised if any lakes in the High Unitas experience turnover due to lack of depth, and I doubt Utah Lake has turnover for the same reason and the fact that it doesn't freeze over

I like to think of turnover as a parfait with chocolate on the bottom, vanilla on the top, and a tight lid on top (the ice sheet). Only when the lid is removed, can one mix the chocolate and vanilla.

Once the ice melts and the sun begins to warm the water, natural convection kicks in coupled with wind on the surface, resulting in the lower strata of the lake mixing with the upper strata resulting in turbid water.

Fall turnover results from the water on the upper level reaching the same temperature as the lower level, resulting in a similar mixing.

Trying to catch fish in water that looks like mixed chocolate and vanilla pudding, coupled with rapid changes in water temp and oxygen levels, can be problematic until the lake settles into its spring/summer stratification.

Utah lake does freeze, and does turn over. It may not stratify much, but it does turn over. Ice doesn't form on the bottom. It forms on the surface. And yes, the water in the Uintahs turns over too. If it develops an ice cap, and thaws out it turns over. Even if it doesn't freeze, but gets below 39.2° Fahrenheit it will turn over.


Fishrmn

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— Thomas Jefferson

"The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its limits."
— Albert Einstein

The fall turnover results when the surface water cools, until it's cooler than the deeper water. Cold water is more dense than warmer water, so it has to "sink" to the bottom, while the warmer water rises to the surface, thus the "turnover". Shallow lakes like Utah Lake and Willard are "turned over" more by wind and wave action, more of a "roll over" every time it gets really windy for a long enough period of time.



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Someone can Google this, but water reaches it's max density at about 33/34 degrees F. at 32degrees F, it does a really strange thing according to the laws of physics, in that when it becomes a solid ( ice ) it's density is lighter than the surrounding water and it floats to the surface. Were it not so, all our lakes would be frozen at the bottom and we would have major problems.

Turnover is the result of wind action and the cooling of the water to a point that it sinks, pushing the warmer water to the surface. It occurs both in fall and winter as stated !!!

Almost. max density is about 4 celsius/ 39 F. The water on top sinks when it warms to 39 F in spring and cools to 39 F in fall.
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Maximum density of fresh water is 39.2° Fahrenheit, or 4° Celsius. As the water warms, or cools above or below that temperature it turns over. Even Utah Lake stratifies to an extent. If you've ever been swimming and dived to the bottom, you'd notice that it is considerably colder at depth.


Fishrmn

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion."
— Thomas Jefferson

"The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its limits."
— Albert Einstein

Certainly all lakes stratify and circulate. I was referring more to the scope of Strawberry's "turnover" (in the fishing sense of the word) where its depth and size results in a massive and sluggish rotation that materially changes water clarity, oxygen levels, and fishing conditions.

Anyway, here is more than you want to know about seasonal stratification of lakes.

http://faculty.gvsu.edu/...p/stratification.htm