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Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19
Went fishing yesterday at Utah Lake. Tried to bump my catfish score. Not to be. Just tired out this old guy. When the alarm went off this morning for a trip to Willard my body said to bag it and go back to sleep. Lucky for me my inner angler won out and I got up and went.

Glassy calm and 38 degrees air temp at the north marina at 7 am. Water temp 52...rising a whole degree by noon. Water level still high and good clarity. All systems go.

Took plastics and crappie rigs today but never got them wet. Started and stayed with fligs and small chub minnows. If it ain't fixed don't broke it...or however that goes.

Kitties started early. Got several even before the sun broke over the mountains. Some on a chartreuse perch whirly flig. Most on a small silver with blue back tailed flig. There were some bait balls in both shallow water and out in deeper water. and some had bigger fishies hanging out with or around them. Those shad-munchers liked my little blueback flig with a bitty minnow sweetener.

About mid morning I had a bite that I suspected might not be a catfish. The severely bent rod, the screeching reel and the fish making a wide sweep out to deeper water aroused my suspicions. After about 10 minutes of careful battling I was able to slip my (inadequate) net under a 24 inch wiper that weighed 6.4 pounds. What a hog! Made the trip for this old guy, I tell ya.

That wiper took the same blueback flig and minnow setup I had been using with success for the kitties. I just know that if there were more wipers available I would be catching more on fligs. Used to catch the heck out of them on the small plastics I threw for crappies. Oh well.

Had decided to make a short day of it. After a full day yesterday, my gas tank was running low...and I had people to do and things to see...or whatever. I did manage to rassle in about 10 cats for the morning...of which I kept 5 to fry. As with my last trip I got to play with several smaller "teen-inchers". They all got a kiss and were sent back to grow another year or two before a return match.

An absolutely purtiful morning. Fall colors and flat water. Oh yeah, and some fish too. Anyone who might ask for more than that just ain't properly grateful for blessings received.

(This post was edited by TubeDude on Oct 16, 2019, 1:29 PM)
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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Very nice, I love the wiper fights, glad it was more than an NBC day. Congrats J
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Re: [SkunkedAgain] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Thanks. I savored every moment. With those smaller flig hooks I wasn't sure how well it might be hooked and I played it pretty carefully. Good thing too. When I scooped it into my net I could see it was only holding by a small thread of flesh.


On another note...the fish cleaning station is now closed. But it should be open again by 4th of July next year. (unpaid political comment)

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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Great job,!! Was "moby" hanging around that big school of bait?
How do you freeze those small chubs, do they get kinda mushy?
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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Wow, that is a very nice wiper, it had been eating good that's for sure, not many of those big guys left I bet. Two days in a row, you deserve a week off after doing back to back trips.Wink


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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Pat -

Congrats on the Hog! Thanks for showing us the set-up. I spent 4 hours in the afternoon today in the same area you were and I was using fligs. I got totally skunked. I have a fish finder now and saw the same movie you were seeing. There were a lot of sizeable fish in my screen but they weren't interested in offerings.

I might need to try those larger fligs and get some chubs.

Are you dragging those along the bottom at paint drying speed using your motor or are you doing a cast and retrieve? Are you doing a start and stop, or rod lift?

Some of my fligs were sweetened with worm and some with gulp minnow. I was dragging them along the bottom at about 0.9 mph. I had a smiley blade on one.

Are the late-spawn shad starting to die off and hit the bottom yet? Or has this not started yet?

Thx. Trent
(This post was edited by Optimizer on Oct 17, 2019, 9:36 PM)
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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Congrats! Maybe I'm wrong, but thats the most revved up about catching a fish that I've read from you.
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Re: [doitall5000] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
doitall5000 wrote:
Great job,!! Was "moby" hanging around that big school of bait?
How do you freeze those small chubs, do they get kinda mushy?

Yes, the wiper came from 12 feet of water...in an area with several bait balls.


I package the small chubs about 25 to 30 per package and freeze them in just enough water to be able to squeeze out all the air bubbles. Larger chubs tend to remain a firmer but the small ones do get a bit soft. However, I fish them by running the hook up through their heads and they stay on the hook pretty well...well enough to have a high hookup percentage. I don't miss many strikes but if I do I usually have to reel in and replace a missing bait. That's why I put more small ones in a "trip bag" than I do larger ones.
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Re: [Optimizer] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
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Pat -

Congrats on the Hog! Thanks for showing us the set-up. I spent 4 hours in the afternoon today in the same area you were and I was using fligs. I got totally skunked. I have a fish finder now and saw the same movie you were seeing. There were a lot of sizeable fish in my screen but they weren't interested in offerings.

I might need to try those larger fligs and get some chubs or LBGQE-whatever minnows.
I was using a small size 1 hook tailed flig. Not the big ones. And I tried several baits...including perch meat and crawlers. Even tried larger chubs and pieces of larger chubs. Only got one catfish on a half of a larger minnow...on a flig.

Are you dragging those along the bottom at paint drying speed using your motor or are you doing a cast and retrieve? Are you doing a start and stop, or rod lift?
Some of my bites came while just slowly kicking along with my fins. Most came while using the electric and doing somewhere under .5 mph. I got a new Minnkota Endura Max...which allows a full range of trolling speeds while using a minimum of battery power. Love it. I keep both rods in my rod tree holder and periodically rock the tube a little to create some motion on the fligs. But most of my bites came on slow and steady.

Some of my fligs were sweetened with worm and some with gulp minnow. I was dragging them along the bottom at about 0.9 mph. I had a smiley blade on one.

Are the late-spawn shad starting to die off and hit the bottom yet? Or has this not started yet?
I didn't see any evidence of a shad dieoff yet...like gulls and terns hitting the surface a lot. But the water temp has now dropped below 55 and it won't be long until the smallest late hatching shad begin to die and sink to the bottom. That generally happens a lot in November. And that is when using a blue/silver flig with a small minnow gets a lot of votes.

Thx. Trent
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Re: [EyLayo] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
EyLayo wrote:
Congrats! Maybe I'm wrong, but thats the most revved up about catching a fish that I've read from you.
You might be right. Hate to admit it but I'm probably a bit jaded. I have had the good fortune to have experienced a lot of good fishing over the years. And I have had some outstanding trips on Willard...with 30 or more wipers in a day. So it takes something good to make my excitement needle move off center line.


That wiper did it. It was my biggest wiper from Willard, it hit hard and fought well and it came on modest tackle while fishing from my tube...not while trolling at mach 3 with heavy gear. I have caught bigger wipers in other states...and stripers up to almost 50 pounds. But that wiper was special.


All that being said, I ain't a fish snob. I love all species of all sizes. And even though I don't get all gushy about it, I even enjoy my everlovin' kitties. Heck, I can still have fun catching bluegill if they are around and wanna play. Like they say about other things..."They are all good...some better than others."
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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Niiiice. Never caught a wiper yet, so any size would do me.

Would you mind sharing where, how and when you catch the chub babies? I've been planning to get up to Lower Fish Creek to get some of the bigger ones, but have been too busy fishing for cats to stop and sharpen the saw or however that saying goes.

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Re: [catchinon] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
There is an old saying "I'd rather be lucky than good." That was the case with the small minnows. My regular chub spot has had it's ups and downs with the drought the past few years and has not been too productive. But I received a tip from a fellow BFTer who was doing some hunt scouting and found a small trickle with a bunch of minnows in it. Of course I followed up on it and was able to score a few bags of the little chublets. A return trip a couple of weeks later found my spot dried up and no minnows to be had.


The creeks below Scofield and Lost Creek both hold numbers of chubs. But since big chubs eat little chubs, the little ones either grow fast or disappear into the larger ones. Howsomever, the larger ones make great bait for cats...whole or pieces. And if you just want to sweeten a small jig, try filleting the big ones before freezing and using small pieces of fillet on fligs and jigs.



There are small creeks and ponds all over Utah that often have populations of chubs, shiners or fathead minnows...all legal and effective. The shiners usually suffer softness after freezing and fathead minnows are generally not as effective as chubs. At least that is my experience doing side by side comparisons on the same waters the same day.


What you have probably already deduced is that minnow dunkers are kinda secretive. They ain't include to provide GPS numbers for their fave minnowing spots. And for good reason. The place I had been using since the 1970s was still producing after I moved back to Utah in 2004. But shortly after that someone on the board posted it...along with detailed directions on how to get there...and for a while it was hit heavily.


Since then it goes up and down with varying water levels...and annual visits from pelicans and cormorants. Sometimes you can make a decent haul. Other times you don't get enough to make it worth the drive. And I have learned the hard way that "loose lips sink chubs"...or however that goes. On almost every occasion I have taken someone there to show them...in spite of protestations of secrecy...my next visit either finds others cleaning out the chubs or evidence of heavy visitation...like empty worm containers and other trash, etc.

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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
I bet that wiper put a big ol smile on your face when it took off on a deep run. They are a special kinda fighter. I was reading about your chub minnow search. I agree Lost Creek used to be a good place to check creeks and such, but lately, I have not seen em and i drew a blank trying to get some carp minnows too. Guess it will be cut bait perch kinda next year for me.


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Re: [Cowboypirate] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Dunno if they are still there, but had some intel a couple of weeks ago about a bunch of carp minnows. The little inlet creek on the east side of Echo...about halfway between Coalville and the State Park. It is not running but there is a hole at the inlet full of carp minnows...and a bunch of baby perch (not legal to net). Carp minnows work well in a lot of places.


Also, haven't tried it for a few years but Grantsville Reservoir used to have some big hordes of carp minnows along the shoreline on the south side during the first part of November. Attaching a couple of pictures from 11-13-08.



And yes, the wiper put a smile on my old kisser. Had to stop at the urgent care center on the way home and have it removed. (Grinning)

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Re: [wiperhunter2] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
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Wow, that is a very nice wiper, it had been eating good that's for sure, not many of those big guys left I bet. Two days in a row, you deserve a week off after doing back to back trips.Wink
Yep. That pig not only had a few shad in it's tummy but also big gobs of visceral fat. Hope the newest plantings take off soon. Been a shortage of wipers overall...but an occasional big one helps dull the pain.


I fished two days in a row because some doofus ordered some lousy weather for a few days. Better to overdo it for a couple of days than to have to wait a week for the next trip. That is from my book of famous quotations nobody has ever heard of.


Hey, I gotta get you guys some of those long-body whirly fligs. Perfect for slow trolling. The little propeller blades start kicking at .1 mph.
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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Speaking of fligs and such. If you needed an area to do the "teach wannabes the art of fligs making". I am happy to volunteer my garage to a group. Can fire up the smoker and Dutch ovens and feed attendees- that's another hobby of mine. I live in the Morgan area


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Re: [Cowboypirate] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Sounds doable. I threw out the offer to do a show and tell. But I ain't gonna beg anyone to attend. My suggestion is that you present it on the board as a possible for anyone who wants to attend...and it would be reasonable for either the northerners or even folks from Salt Lake.


If you can get a few folks to agree on a date and time, I will make it work for my schedule. I got 7 day weekends ya know. Usually midweek evenings work best for most folks, but during the "off" season for fishing we could even do a Saturday...unless the ice is on and the fish are on fire.


By the way, thanks for your offer.

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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Well done Pat. They put up a pretty good tug. Nice way to add some variety to your willard cattin.
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Re: [fish_fear_me2] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Thanks. I'm all about variety. Most of my Willard trips are hoping for ABC...anything but catfish. But most turn out NBC...nothing but catfish. Good thing I am an equal opportunity kinda fisherman. If I can't be with the fish I love (or want), I love the ones that will at least play with me. No pride at all.


Have you been getting out at all?

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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
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wiperhunter2 wrote:
Hey, I gotta get you guys some of those long-body whirly fligs. Perfect for slow trolling. The little propeller blades start kicking at .1 mph.
Are those long-body whirly fligs different than the ones we got from you the last time we meet you at the North marina?


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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Gettin along, Havent been out a lot this year. Sad when things get to where ya aint got time to fish. Better make some time pretty soon.
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Re: [wiperhunter2] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
"Are those long-body whirly fligs different than the ones we got from you the last time we meet you at the North marina?"

I didn't remember exactly what you got. But I suspect they are about the same. The first batch I made were on 3/0 hooks. The last batch were on slightly smaller 1/0 hooks...and wired slightly different. But the look and action should be about the same. The question is have you tried them?

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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
No, I haven't, you gave them to Ira, so I never got one, I did however use one of the older, short ones, on Tues, with the prop in the back. That is what I used to catch the last three cats I caught that day.


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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
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wiperhunter2 wrote:
Wow, that is a very nice wiper, it had been eating good that's for sure, not many of those big guys left I bet. Two days in a row, you deserve a week off after doing back to back trips.Wink
Yep. That pig not only had a few shad in it's tummy but also big gobs of visceral fat. Hope the newest plantings take off soon. Been a shortage of wipers overall...but an occasional big one helps dull the pain.


I fished two days in a row because some doofus ordered some lousy weather for a few days. Better to overdo it for a couple of days than to have to wait a week for the next trip. That is from my book of famous quotations nobody has ever heard of.


Hey, I gotta get you guys some of those long-body whirly fligs. Perfect for slow trolling. The little propeller blades start kicking at .1 mph.
ya knows you can catch and release them big whipers
may help a bit with the shortages
and maybe take a little better photo then dead fish on crete with a quantification device
cause that brings me pain
"I find i have had my reward
in the doing of the thing"
-Buzz Holmstrom
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Re: [fishskibum] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
"ya knows you can catch and release them big whipers
may help a bit with the shortages
and maybe take a little better photo then dead fish on crete with a quantification device
cause that brings me pain"


Wow. A first post from an elitist fly-flinger and all you got to offer is a suggestion for catch and release. Typical. And I might be more susceptible to your suggestions if you knew how to spell and use proper sentence structure. Not impressed.

It is patently clear you know less about wipers than fly fishing. That fish is likely in its last year of life and would probably die during the winter...as have most of the other fish in that year class. Secondly, there is no reason to NOT harvest wipers. They are sterile hybrids put in Willard for the sole purposes of controlling shad and providing anglers with a superb fishery. No argument for future propagation OR future angling potential.

I have caught and released hundreds of wipers in the past... even when they were more abundant. I have even caught a lot of them on flies...which I also tie myself...and build fly rods, etc.

You are welcome here but only if you post useful information and not pop in only to criticize others.

(This post was edited by TubeDude on Oct 19, 2019, 7:50 AM)
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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Maybe he should stick to skiing, Pat, instead of going out with no other purpose than causing serial pain to fish.



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Re: [RockyRaab] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Glad I no longer ski. I would hate to have to share the slopes with such a bum. Might cause me serial pain.

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TubeDude wrote:
"ya knows you can catch and release them big whipers
may help a bit with the shortages
and maybe take a little better photo then dead fish on crete with a quantification device
cause that brings me pain"


Wow. A first post from an elitist fly-flinger and all you got to offer is a suggestion for catch and release. Typical. And I might be more susceptible to your suggestions if you knew how to spell and use proper sentence structure. Not impressed.

It is patently clear you know less about wipers than fly fishing. That fish is likely in its last year of life and would probably die during the winter...as have most of the other fish in that year class. Secondly, there is no reason to NOT harvest wipers. They are sterile hybrids put in Willard for the sole purposes of controlling shad and providing anglers with a superb fishery. No argument for future propagation OR future angling potential.

I have caught and released hundreds of wipers in the past... even when they were more abundant. I have even caught a lot of them on flies...which I also tie myself...and build fly rods, etc.

You are welcome here but only if you post useful information and not pop in only to criticize others.
"Game fish are too valuable to be caught only once."-
Lee Wulf
yur not gonna like my e- style much
not gonna phase me much if ya cant take heat and bust out the banhammer
and impressing flig flingers aint real big on my to do list
dead fish don't provide a "subperb" fishery
the don't eat many shad either
pictures of dead fish isn't superb photography

but its okay needing motors and live bait to git em or stringers of dead fish
didn't impress lee or joan either
sounds like your a not so huge flyfisherdude
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in the doing of the thing"
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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
tubedude do you sell these lures or know where i could buy some thank youFish On
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Re: [dskearl] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
You can buy several sizes, styles and colors of FLOATING JIG HEADS either online or in some of the local tackle purveyors. Plug that into a search engine and you will find a lot to look at. Most of the commercial stuff works fine. I'd like to think I have a few "Utah colors" that work better on some waters and some species.



I have been making my own for many years and have really ramped it up the last two or three...coming up with a lot of styles and colors not available commercially. I don't have a big 4-sale operation but I do sell a few. If you are interested, shoot me a PM and I will provide some additional info and pictures. And if you wanna come visit I will provide my address and directions.

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Re: [fishskibum] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
I'd challenge you to a battle of wits but I never attack anyone who is unarmed.




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I'd challenge you to a battle of wits but I never attack anyone who is unarmed.



id challenge you to a fish off but

"I find i have had my reward
in the doing of the thing"
-Buzz Holmstrom
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Re: [fishskibum] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
I should probably not have dipped my oar in, but since I have, I'll make one last comment to fishskibum...

TubeDude has caught - and released - more fish than you have made false casts. I'd shut my yap and slink quietly away if I were you.

(Perish the thought.)



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Re: [fishskibum] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
So why would you insult Pat like that? He has shared more useful information and useful tips that can be remembered. You can count on him to help all he can . as for a guy like you that just wants to stir it up we can do without. Are you really that unhappy? Just go away.
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Re: [RockyRaab] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
RockyRaab wrote:
I should probably not have dipped my oar in, but since I have, I'll make one last comment to fishskibum...

TubeDude has caught - and released - more fish than you have made false casts. I'd shut my yap and slink quietly away if I were you.

(Perish the thought.)
do you really row bro?
what class?

its okay I spend all winter climbing to ski in places
you and your sittin in a tube dude
will never set foot upon even with a chopper drop

I like it that way
kinda like the rapids keep ya off the rivers
and yeah next youll tell me have gave up fly fishing cause it was too easy
"I find i have had my reward
in the doing of the thing"
-Buzz Holmstrom
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Re: [RockyRaab] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
RockyRaab wrote:
I should probably not have dipped my oar in, but since I have, I'll make one last comment to fishskibum...

TubeDude has caught - and released - more fish than you have made false casts. I'd shut my yap and slink quietly away if I were you.

(Perish the thought.)
youre not me
never will be
I don't think you can really row I got ya pegged as
more of an oar dipper or a trolling motor kinda guy
and I did time in mo so your gonna need to show me this rowing you do
I don't quantify successful fishing as catching any more
its kinda like gittin laid
you do it enuffs and you don't need to count anymore
and its not insulting to suggest bemoaning the #ers of fish as you kill them
it is hypocritically humorous.
but ya know I do eat eyes
when I can git em to eat flies


"I find i have had my reward
in the doing of the thing"
-Buzz Holmstrom
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Re: [fishskibum] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Just a few questions.Where are the Moderators today? How long to we have to tolerate this A _ _ HOLE?
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Re: [fishskibum] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
I want to say the tubedude is very ethical and has earned his respect.He has shared great info with many on this board,the guy loves to fish and the outdoors.Tubedude is also smart enough to know there are many ways to skin a cat and fly fishing is only one of many,and no better than others.I remember a fishing trip to lake Powell for deep stripers with Hopkins spoons and one guy in the boat was using a fly rod,needless to say the guy looked foolish and kind of went down in infamy.LOL You need to step up your ego and only fish for wipers and walleyes fish English style and only cast when they are rising on midges.Become the ultimate elite angler,cruise the dike at willard and look for risers with binoculars.Those big flies you drag are just another form of trolling and would the greats like lee wullf approve?LOL
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Re: [fishroof] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
fishroof wrote:
I want to say the tubedude is very ethical and has earned his respect.He has shared great info with many on this board,the guy loves to fish and the outdoors.Tubedude is also smart enough to know there are many ways to skin a cat and fly fishing is only one of many,and no better than others.I remember a fishing trip to lake Powell for deep stripers with Hopkins spoons and one guy in the boat was using a fly rod,needless to say the guy looked foolish and kind of went down in infamy.LOL You need to step up your ego and only fish for wipers and walleyes fish English style and only cast when they are rising on midges.Become the ultimate elite angler,cruise the dike at willard and look for risers with binoculars.Those big flies you drag are just another form of trolling and would the greats like lee wullf approve?LOL
i bets its not gonna surprise you that I spent a good chunk of my adult life
applying roofing products as a scumbag, well paid, I puts down a lot of shingles pieceworker

I only do it for friends and fam now
or when really need extra fishin funds and throw down a side job
nor should it that I don't troll with a fly rod
don't have or need motors on the boat
"fisherman row" or so Robert nesta marley
its made to throw the line and the beauty and the skill of the sport is the throwing of the line using the whippy stick

I don't fish seated
stand up and fish like a man on a mission
and the whipers like the strip and follow
probably wont surprise you that I have a poopfish addiction
and I spend a good amount of time on the dyke getting them to eat flies
if im not in back on the refugee on the sup gitten em
or at the gorge watching my backing disappear




and yeah occasionally I gits em to eat the dry

hell every once and a while I score kitty puss

on the fly
"I find i have had my reward
in the doing of the thing"
-Buzz Holmstrom
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Re: [ice_sled] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
ice_sled wrote:
Just a few questions.Where are the Moderators today? How long to we have to tolerate this A _ _ HOLE?
#triggered
are you a millennial?
"I find i have had my reward
in the doing of the thing"
-Buzz Holmstrom
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Re: [fishskibum] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Haha,nice pics.looks like you enjoy fishing and have a great passion for it.I havent laid a shingle in a very long time,any roofer is ok in my book.I have been obsessed many different ways of fishing including all types of fly fishing.Lately I have been digging just driving around in my boat graphing deep fish putting my Ultrex on spotlock then seeing fish bite or not bite my lure on livescope,its like watching tv only your outside in a boat.LOL Roofing is a great job for fishing,shingle 6 to noon,off fishing,rains off fishing,winter off fishing.I can graph for hours and barely drop a line.
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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
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There is an old saying "I'd rather be lucky than good." That was the case with the small minnows. My regular chub spot has had it's ups and downs with the drought the past few years and has not been too productive. But I received a tip from a fellow BFTer who was doing some hunt scouting and found a small trickle with a bunch of minnows in it. Of course I followed up on it and was able to score a few bags of the little chublets. A return trip a couple of weeks later found my spot dried up and no minnows to be had.


The creeks below Scofield and Lost Creek both hold numbers of chubs. But since big chubs eat little chubs, the little ones either grow fast or disappear into the larger ones. Howsomever, the larger ones make great bait for cats...whole or pieces. And if you just want to sweeten a small jig, try filleting the big ones before freezing and using small pieces of fillet on fligs and jigs.



There are small creeks and ponds all over Utah that often have populations of chubs, shiners or fathead minnows...all legal and effective. The shiners usually suffer softness after freezing and fathead minnows are generally not as effective as chubs. At least that is my experience doing side by side comparisons on the same waters the same day.


What you have probably already deduced is that minnow dunkers are kinda secretive. They ain't include to provide GPS numbers for their fave minnowing spots. And for good reason. The place I had been using since the 1970s was still producing after I moved back to Utah in 2004. But shortly after that someone on the board posted it...along with detailed directions on how to get there...and for a while it was hit heavily.


Since then it goes up and down with varying water levels...and annual visits from pelicans and cormorants. Sometimes you can make a decent haul. Other times you don't get enough to make it worth the drive. And I have learned the hard way that "loose lips sink chubs"...or however that goes. On almost every occasion I have taken someone there to show them...in spite of protestations of secrecy...my next visit either finds others cleaning out the chubs or evidence of heavy visitation...like empty worm containers and other trash, etc.
im gonna gives ya props for superb information
as someone who doesnt have any elcetronics on any of their boats
your write ups of rabbit gulch and other reports are tight.
The choice of selective harvest or catch and release within the laws is a personal one
and i could have made a better 1st post.
i myself have a rather small social media footprint.
#friendsnotfollowers
At this point though the majority of my fishing partners of piscatorial pursuits,
have came from the intertubes
im gonna leave my huge bros spewtube stuffs as it seems to fits with your post
maybe see ya on the water im not hard to miss
20 year old tan rotomolded hog island drifty
grizzled most likely unshaven bum lookin dude standing on a stickered yeti cooler
striving and still failing to throw all the fly line with the large junk wet articulated flying buttmonkeys
hoping the end up here

with a large entirely to damn friendly black and white landseer newfoundland furkid
copilot


"I find i have had my reward
in the doing of the thing"
-Buzz Holmstrom
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Re: [fishskibum] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
https://youtu.be/Usd2QY2w6jM
i suck at the internet
"I find i have had my reward
in the doing of the thing"
-Buzz Holmstrom
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Re: [fishskibum] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
"and i could have made a better 1st post."

Succinctly stated. All I could see was a first time poster jumping in to start something. We have had our share of those. Howsomever, after "being exposed" to more of your "unique" rhetoric...and viewing your outstanding pictures...I have different image of you.


In short, I recognize an angler passionate about their chosen form of piscatorial pursuit...with skills well above average...both in the capturing of fish and then capturing their images. You do good work.


Still getting used to your "style" though. We all seem to develop one. And there are many examples on this forum. Thankfully the "grammar Nazis" are at a minimum and few of our threads degenerate into syntax wars rather than fishing discussions.


In spite of our inauspicious beginning, I think we could probably tolerate each other's company. I know I will continue to read your posts and to enjoy your excellent photography. Carry on.
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Re: [ice_sled] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Wow sorry I missed out on this back and forth, I apologize for not being online to calm the rhetoric or shut it down.. Not sure if that was a sincere ceasefire or not, but I'll try to check back and lock the thread if it starts going again. fishskibum we would appreciate less confrontation and attacks on the site, we abide by the rules of conduct or will ask you leave or lock your account. Hope you decide to live by the rules and take advantage of what is here.. Later Jeff
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Re: [SkunkedAgain] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
I think we got things handled...without your timely and on-target assistance.

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Re: [ice_sled] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Well, Ben, I had my computer down for a coupla days and just got around to reading this all today. I think that TD kinda got it right in his last post--not such a bad guy but one with a unique style. His comments are as valid as anyone's, though it is hard to dig through the jargon to get to his message. It's like "abstract poetry" (is that a thing?). Not for every taste, and he might want to consider his audience before going off on flights of fantasy. However, it's a lot more interesting than posts like "Nice fish!" so I'll tolerate him a little longer. If he gets downright mean and nasty I'll step in and help him see where the line is. After all, one of the bastions of American freedom is that we tolerate all or most expressions in order to sort out the truth as we see it.

If anyone really wants to figure out what he is saying go to urbandictionary.com to get the definitions of his words. I don't have that much time but I will probably look up a few just for fun. But then I am a word nerd and find these expressions fun.

Fishskibum, one of the goals of communication is to express your ideas in such a way that someone not only can understand what you are saying but also cannot possibly misunderstand you. Also, consider your audience. Not that many millennials on here and the majority just want to learn about and discuss fishing, not wade through postmodern cant to get to your meaning. Grab yer dictionary if you want to know what I just said.

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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Pat,

Thank you for your post. Very Motivational! And thanks for the informative fishing advice. I need to get up to Willard at least a couple times a year. I haven't been for a couple years now.

I have a question I am hoping you can address.

With all the water we had in 2019, what do you think it will bring for 2020 and 2021? For example: Fishing was difficult at Deer Creek this year for trout due to so much water, so I spent more time at UL and JR. I did make a couple trips to DC and had limited success. Others experienced the same issue at DC with a full puddle of water most the spring and summer.

Anyhow, I am just wondering what your historic observations have been.

Also, Thank you for responding firmly to the catch n release fellow. We need to keep this forum friendly and non judgmental. I know that when older large fish are harvested that it always makes room for the younger fish to mature. Besides, Wipers are soooo tasty! mmm mmm good.

Matthew
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Re: [Outfishing13] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
"With all the water we had in 2019, what do you think it will bring for 2020 and 2021?"

Dang it. My crystal ball and my magic wand are both in my Sunday pants...and they are at the cleaners. So I'll just have to guess.


During the several decades I have been flogging Utah's waters I have fished through several cycles of up and down water years. As a general rule, low water years concentrate the fish more and anglers do well...for a while. But the low water also usually results in poorer spawning and recruitment so we have some leaner years following the good years.



A high water year, like this past one, is better for fish than fishermen. More water equals more space for the same number of fish...with more widely scattered habitat. So fish may be harder to find in any concentration...although there will always be "fish magnet" areas where water conditions and/or food resources attract and hold fish. And with higher water there is usually more flooded structure to provide spawning habitat and shelter for the young of the year. That, plus more nutrients from heavy inflows makes for an increase in numbers. However, we usually don't start seeing the results on the ends of our lines for an average of 3-5 years. Slow motion benefits.


Looks like it might be another wet winter, plus water levels are still up pretty good from last year. So 2020 (good vision) will likely be close to the same as last year...fish scattered more widely through more water. That means you will have to really pay attention to what each month of the year means for the species you are after. For some that means spring spawning followed by a period of wide-open post spawn feeding...in proven congregating areas. Others spawn later and continue to feed during warmer months...while colder condition lovers go mostly nocturnal in their feeding until the fall cool down.


In short, high water forces you to become a better student of fishyology if you want to enjoy more success. Not a bad thing. If you can do well when conditions are tougher you got it made when it gets better.


How's that for a lot of tap-dancing blather?
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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
  tube dude and are are good with a respect for each others skills and passion

i am gonna ask him if it would bother him if they cut the willard whiper limit to 1
if it would bother him?
as theres a lotta tastey fish out there but it obviously the freight train fight he described and stoke level was similiar to mine when i hook em
theyre special fish


They tells me ifin you speaks it out loud as a form of the spoken word
it tends to make it easier
or if you grew up with a butkowski ,hr thompson ,george carlin with some henry rollins
and copoius amounts of thc diet
way easier
and no ones makin ya read any stream of stonerness jargon
and like community cyber po po said im entiled to my opinons valid or otherwise
thank you for them basstoons of freedom here
as a vet i can assure you it mattered nuffs for me to take an oath for the uncle
feel free to just look at the pictures i overpay the fotosbucket people to store for me

or the sharing of things that make me smile
https://youtu.be/GO_ehbQ5PZw
"I find i have had my reward
in the doing of the thing"
-Buzz Holmstrom
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Re: [fishskibum] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
"i am gonna ask him if it would bother him if they cut the willard whiper limit to 1 if it would bother him? "

Under the current conditions of low wiper numbers I would not be opposed to a single fish wiper (not whiper) limit. But in the past, when numbers were up, even a six fish limit did little to hurt the population. There are a lot of Willardites who release a lot more than they catch...including myself. And in times of plenty it was not far fetched to catch 20 - 30 in a day of wiper abuse.



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Re: [fishskibum] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
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Hey thats me! He dont keep fish, but I do, ironicallyish enough that fish got eaten.

The bums style takes a bit to get used to but after about 15 years of reading it Ive got it pretty dialed. It helps to spend a lot of time in the boat together. Aint many other people Id rather spend time in the boat with though.

Shoulda seen his old god the first time he witnessed me cleaning a trout in Wyoming, poor pooch hadnt ever seen a fish killed and cleaned. Newfie mind blown.
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Re: [catchinon] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
catchinon wrote:

Fishskibum, one of the goals of communication is to express your ideas in such a way that someone not only can understand what you are saying but also cannot possibly misunderstand you. Also, consider your audience. Not that many millennials on here and the majority just want to learn about and discuss fishing, not wade through postmodern cant to get to your meaning. Grab yer dictionary if you want to know what I just said.
well ya know seeins how i have one of these on the man cave wall

i might just be able to provide a "pro" tip or a tidbits of experience to the noobs
and discuss piscatorial pursuits with the best of em
and well easy wading doesnt make you better and learning to decifer matching or conflicting hatches is a good skill
1st tip
if catching a lot of fish is your main goal
Do not start , return to or continue to use the fly rod
there is a damn good reason no one on the bass pro tour ftw etc throws one
there is also a good reason why they dont let them use live bait Wink
if you are going to employ the whippy stick
line control is everything
squiggles unless slack line mending for a drag free drift

no pinche buenos
strip set tight lines

das gut
and will help

thanks to carpediem for being an awesome athlete photo slut great mechanic
and solid dude to spend time giitin and not gitten em with
lemme know ifin u need or would like more tips of the trade
and im not sure if its just me but im getting scantily clad babes and ads for clowns smoking spliff buffs
so you must know your audience
"I find i have had my reward
in the doing of the thing"
-Buzz Holmstrom
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Re: [fishskibum] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
fishskibum wrote:
catchinon wrote:


...thanks to carpediem for being an awesome athlete photo slut great mechanic
and solid dude to spend time giitin and not gitten em with
lemme know ifin u need or would like more tips of the trade
and im not sure if its just me but im getting scantily clad babes and ads for clowns smoking spliff buffs
so you must know your audience

This guy can't be real, right? LOL...I'm a healthcare professional of 20 yrs, and I may diagnose a recent stroke in this case. Sly

TIGHT LINES

>c((((@

-RICH
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Re: [richyd4u] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
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richyd4u wrote:
fishskibum wrote:
catchinon wrote:


...thanks to carpediem for being an awesome athlete photo slut great mechanic
and solid dude to spend time giitin and not gitten em with
lemme know ifin u need or would like more tips of the trade
and im not sure if its just me but im getting scantily clad babes and ads for clowns smoking spliff buffs
so you must know your audience

This guy can't be real, right? LOL...I'm a healthcare professional of 20 yrs, and I may diagnose a recent stroke in this case. Sly


Oh no, hes real. Not sure about the stroke as hes sometimes masked. While youz was healthcaring he was fishcatching.
(This post was edited by carpdiem on Oct 23, 2019, 7:43 PM)
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Re: [richyd4u] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
richyd4u wrote:
fishskibum wrote:
catchinon wrote:


...thanks to carpediem for being an awesome athlete photo slut great mechanic
and solid dude to spend time giitin and not gitten em with
lemme know ifin u need or would like more tips of the trade
and im not sure if its just me but im getting scantily clad babes and ads for clowns smoking spliff buffs
so you must know your audience

This guy can't be real, right? LOL...I'm a healthcare professional of 20 yrs, and I may diagnose a recent stroke in this case. Sly
if it makes ya feel betters Im a spansered skier and fisherman by a health care professional with letters behind her name that are not b u m so im good on that
Not sure how that happened I thinks cunning linquist skills mattered
anyhow protip 2
for the those who might wants a few tips about the ski sticks or the oar sticks
much like ifin you French fri
whens ya shoulda been pizzaing

ifin the oars are dipping, crabbin, or slinking
when both guns need to be firing full auto
your gonna haz a bad time


send it full bro



"I find i have had my reward
in the doing of the thing"
-Buzz Holmstrom
(This post was edited by fishskibum on Oct 30, 2019, 3:00 PM)
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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
"There are a lot of Willardites who release a lot more than they catch...including myself." [Emphasis added.]

Pat, I keep wondering how you do that. JK.WinkCool Seems that we all have trouble expressing ourselves perfectly from time to time. I, for one, appreciate how you have extended the olive branch to fishskibum. I just wish he were more lucid.

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Re: [catchinon] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
"There are a lot of Willardites who release a lot more than they catch...including myself." [Emphasis added.]

You know I meant to say "keep". But when you factor in all of the "long line releases" (conservation catches) it can easily become "catch". And then there are the fish that I PURPOSELY avoid...by jerking the lure away from them before they can chomp down solidly enough to get hooked. Saves all the wear and tear of having to battle them in, net them, remove the hook AND THEN RELEASE THEM. A great conservation of effort, if you will. We count that as a pre-catch release.
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Re: [TubeDude] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
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We count that as a pre-catch release

Hey Pat, I LIKE that phrase.............gonna use that the next time something breaks me off at the river.......Sly

Thanks...................Ohh, you don't have that under copy write do ya ?
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Re: [Tin-Can] Wunnerful Willard 10-16-19 In reply to
Although I do claim some originality in that phrase, I have not copyrighted it. Since it has universal application...to all anglers...I have unselfishly granted the right for any and all fisherfolk to use it whenever needed.


The only downside is that the species and size of the PCR fish is unproveable, so it will not count in any contests. However, when telling the tale amongst fellow floggers it is generally acceptable that the lost fish can be whatever you claim it to be...since it was not seen and cannot be disproven by any skeptics. Just try to keep it within reason. For example the wimpy fish you "farmed" off enroute to your boat at Willard cannot be claimed as a potential world record blue marlin. Gotta set some standards and make some limitations somewhere. Otherwise, us typically honest fishermen might be tempted to exaggerate a little. Heaven forbid.