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Re: [TubeDude] Yuba In reply to
Tube -- it isn't about trout. It never has been. I'm not advocating trout at Yuba. I will recognize, however, that after the last issue at Yuba trout did very well for a short time period. That's not a bad thing.

And, the issue at Yuba is very similar to Scofield. You guys get too caught up in "species". Forget what kind of fish they are for a minute, and just look at numbers and what is happening.

I'll fully support you guys in leaving Yuba alone. If that's truly what the public angling community wants - nothing - then i'd support it, even though I know that it is detrimental to the fishery. I think, just like teenagers, sometimes we have to learn the hard way. If


I'm on the bandwagon: LEAVE YUBA ALONE.


One final question: Why don't any of you fish Commins Lake, NV??



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Re: [TubeDude] Yuba In reply to
It's funny to me Pat when folks address you in particular basically saying you don't know what your talking about.

The fact is THE DWR IS GOING TO DESTROY A TROPHY PIKE FISHERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you guys are so set on your agenda....we don't give a crap about trout don't you get it! This state time and time again does what they want without the voice of anglers.

If Yuba were in a failing state I could understand intervention but it's not. This is simply so they can have ever another little trout fishery...I'll sit back with my popcorn and wait for a real fish (pike, walleye) to come gobble up those frail little gray meat planters..

Sorry the above is not so professional, but it is the voice the DWR is not hearing.



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Re: [dwayneb] Yuba In reply to
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Unfortunately Mother Nature decided not to feed Scofield much water over the past several years (2011 is the last time Scofield was above 50% capacity) so those new planter Cutts and Tigers haven't enough food to grow into the Chub eating Monsters like the on in my Avatar (Scofield Nov 2014).

It isn't water that's preventing the cutts and tigers from growing into chub eating monsters. The problem is that the chubs are out-competing smaller cutts and tigers for plankton, thus preventing those fish from growing large enough to take advantage of the plentiful chubs.





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However, I know there is a scientifically-backed plan for Scofield. Work has been done to get it back in balance. The plan hasn't been effective so far.

you realize that the DWR is going through the NEPA process right now to poison Scofield?
Again, mother nature won't balance. She won't do it at Yuba. She never has. She never will.


Yuba isn't about trout. Never was. Never will be.

Let's go fish Commins together.
that's where Yuba is headed.



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Re: [PBH] Yuba In reply to
This is the first I've heard of this plan. I'll refrain from commenting on the rest, but my one question, if I understand what is being proposed, is that the DWR will rotenone the entire system from Redmond to Yuba in an effort to get rid of the pike.

This would seem like a tall order. If a few are missed, they will simply return as before. If a few chubs are missed in a chub treatment, as is often the case and frequently anticipated, then a slot limit for predatory trout will keep the remainder in check. This has proven to work. However, there is no such option for an apex predator like pike. What then, if one doesn't get a complete kill?





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Re: [doggonefishin] Yuba In reply to
My guess is Tiger Muskie. Look at how good of a job the adult Northerns are doing on juvenile pike. Seems like a few thousand Muskies would keep the pike from being able to do much. And the Muskies would be swimming in the exact places that the juvenile pike would want to inhabit.



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Re: [PBH] Yuba In reply to
What would it take to get some habitat or structure in there? Old trees, concrete anything to make a place for smaller fish to hide or big fish to ambush prey. What about poisoning it and putting tiger Muskie in there where they can control there population? Also once structure is in put other fish like perch, walleye, small mouth bass, wipers etc. I know we have a water issue is there anyway we can only depot certain level then no more? Just questions I have not sure what a good solution is.
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Re: [Lovetofish1965] Yuba In reply to
At this point there is no reserve pool set in place to keep the reservoir from being drained dry if the water useres choose to do so. This is what makes it such a challenge to manage. A couple of dry years and all the hard work would go right down the drain.
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Re: [dwayneb] Yuba In reply to
Yuba is now producing record pike, which when the DWR raised the limit to twenty a day a couple or few years ago, that was their stated goal. More big trophy pike with less smaller ones to compete for food.

If I read the one article correctly, the average size is now over 35"! Holy smokes! What more opportunity could folks ask for in Utah??

With walleye numbers stable, increasing in numbers and size, perch increasing in numbers and size, and a good water year looming, seems the lake is headed in the right direction without wasting much needed sportsman dollars.

Seen more than a few 14" carp down the gullet of a 35" pike, tail sticking out into the throat of the pike. Pike love carp. Almost every one has carp in their stomachs, even sizable carp.

Still vote to leave it be and see how big the state record is going to be in the near future..
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Re: [Lovetofish1965] Yuba In reply to
Lovetofish: Your questions are not new. These are questions frequently asked by anglers, and for good reason. Unfortunately, the water in Yuba is not owned by the State, and the water owners do not want "structure" in the resesrvoir. We have had some "rock piles" dumped in there in the past, but have more habitat work done in the future will be a challenge, and will be governed by the water owners (IPP).



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Re: [AllFish] Yuba In reply to
Water levels: keep in mind, much of the water in Yuba is not for irrigation. Thus, even with high water years, draw-down is subject to extremes. However, the water volume in Yuba for 2017 is not expected to drop below 15% (which is the highest volume for a treatment).

Attached is the Scoping Notice for Yuba, which just went public today.

I've been looking for the Yuba Management Plan, but cannot find a copy. Maybe someone should request it from Crockett and post it for everyone to see, so that we can all be better educated on what the DWR, along with the Yuba working committee, has decided to do.



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Re: [PBH] Yuba In reply to
Well Comins Lake was treated with rotenone to remove pike last year. So no one who wants pike will be heading that way anytime soon.

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Re: [Envenomation09] Yuba In reply to
Envenomation09 wrote:
Well Comins Lake was treated with rotenone to remove pike last year. So no one who wants pike will be heading that way anytime soon.


wait. Just stop it.


Are you telling me that NDOW used rotenone to remove stunted pike from Comins AND Basset lakes??

Why on earth would any state other than Utah want to rid a lake of a trophy fish???


comment from Joe Doucette of NDOW concerning the treatment of Comins: "This is worth millions to White Pine County,” Doucette said. “Businesses are expecting it.”

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Re: [PBH] Yuba In reply to
Precisely what happened there. Pike population stunted and crashed, and ate everything in the lake. Comins should be a destination fishery once again in a few years. Good thing Yuba is not stunting at least, though they still wanna poison it for some reason.

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Re: [PBH] Yuba In reply to
I was down there last Saturday and the water is a lot lower than last year at this time. Hopefully it will fill up this spring.
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Re: [PBH] Yuba In reply to
PBH wrote:
Water levels: keep in mind, much of the water in Yuba is not for irrigation. Thus, even with high water years, draw-down is subject to extremes. However, the water volume in Yuba for 2017 is not expected to drop below 15% (which is the highest volume for a treatment).

Attached is the Scoping Notice for Yuba, which just went public today.

I've been looking for the Yuba Management Plan, but cannot find a copy. Maybe someone should request it from Crockett and post it for everyone to see, so that we can all be better educated on what the DWR, along with the Yuba working committee, has decided to do.

PBH. Thanks for posting this notice.

Does anyone know what species will be planted back into the system after the treatments?
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Re: [PBH] Yuba In reply to
It's one thing to justify rotenone to remove stunted pike from a Lake or Reservoir but Yuba has a strong population of Healthy Northern Pike as reflected by the 20 fish limit and the netting video. That kind of limit indicates an abundance of Pike or a desire to simply eradicate them. Yuba has only one Trophy game fish that has been able to thrive with the fluctuating water levels and abundance of Carp, why spend money and resources at any location so restricted by water level.
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Re: [Dog-lover] Yuba In reply to
Dog-lover wrote:
Yuba has a strong population of Healthy Northern Pike as reflected by the 20 fish limit and the netting video.

Huh?!? Have you fished it lately?



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Re: [Dog-lover] Yuba In reply to
Dog-lover wrote:
... why spend money and resources at any location so restricted by water level.

Have you read anything previously posted??


It has been pointed out that $$$ spent on rotenone treatment return more $$$$ than if you don't treat.


That video is a very small and narrow scope. Those fish were specifically targeted. That is certainly not a true estimate of population averages in Yuba.

I keep coming back to this: If Yuba was a true quality pike fishery right now, why on earth would those same biologists that made the video want to do anything to it??

You have to remember, those managers also fish. They love fish. They love big fish. That's what they want. Quality fisheries. When they get quality fisheries, they fight anglers to keep quality fisheries. When they have fisheries that need improving, they fight to improve them. They do not operate in opposite world.



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Re: [cje04] Yuba In reply to
cje04 wrote:

Does anyone know what species will be planted back into the system after the treatments?

I'm sure the working group knows. I'm also sure it's in the management plan.

Someone should email Chris Crockett (Central Region Manager) and ask him for a copy.



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Re: [Envenomation09] Yuba In reply to
Envenomation09 wrote:
Good thing Yuba is not stunting at least, though they still wanna poison it for some reason.

Their (DWR) sampling suggests otherwise.



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Re: [Lovetofish1965] Yuba In reply to
Lots of big Pike still in there but hard to catch because of the abundant supply of carp. Not too many smaller pike since there's probably zero perch in there right now for them to feed on . Right now you have to find structure if you want to catch pike. The rock wall by the Oasis boat ramp is a good place to catch pike and walleyes. I was there last weekend and saw 3 boats fishing the rock wall and consistently catching pike and a lot of walleyes. The dam is a great spot for both but the rocks are out of the water once the water comes up and the rocks are under water it's on . Biggest problem besides water in Yuba is that there's no structure period once the water gets low. If they treat it and kill everything then it will be carp central once again which to me makes no sense. They should just drain it as much as they can to prevent loss of fish and then put as much structure as they can. They put in a rock pile once they should keep doing the same. There's also a company that makes artificial reefs that they can put it just my 2 cents. If you need some tips on pike I be happy to help .
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Re: [TubeDude] Yuba In reply to
+1000 Leave Yuba alone! Management always denigrates trophy fisheries. Mantua was full of chubs. Also had monster lmb too, now after the failed transformation into a kamloops factory, it has tons of medium mediocre starving bass can be fun but no trophy bass for sure. Bass can't gain weight on bluegills. Kaysville ponds was drained and dredged and managed for stocked trout decades ago, the dredging forever destroyed the shoreline where the bass bedded and they never came back since. The best management is no management, leave nature to do it's thing. We don't need another trout pond. We don't want sterile fish, we want natural fish. We don't want GMO plants, don't mess with fish too. Planter trout aren't edible. they are fed GMO corn , wheat and fish meal. You have meat the consistency of fast food ground beef. People want natural sporting diversity in fish type and size, not a controlled managed community pond.
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Re: [PBH] Yuba In reply to
PBH you sir are nothing more than a keyboard warrior! Rotenone is worthless plain and simple! Lake Davis consumed countless dollars in effort to irradicate the pike and eventually the droughts were the winner. DNR will do what they want like always anglers input is of no value unless we're talking trout fisheries. They can burn our money trying like hell to poison Yuba all they want but as long as non game fish are coming down the in- flow it's pointless! Survival of the apex predators will dictate the population..
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