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Re: [kentofnsl] Mussels in the news In reply to
kentofnsl wrote:
Bduck wrote:

Some of what this article is saying sounds like the opposite of what's being posted here.


I don't see how you come to this conclusion. Please explain.

Kent, This is what I take away

Patchydog stated "Twice this summer when leaving Bullfrog I asked for decontamination since I planned on fishing other waters before the appropriate drying time. The Dwr personnel argued with me and basically refused to decontaminate my boat. I returned home and went to our regional Dwr office where they throughly washed my boat."

In the DNR link I posted, DNR stated mussel situation is getting worse at Lake Powell and that they also increase inspections and decontaminations. Turning down decons is not what the DNR advertises in their educational program. This is a 'pass the buck' onto other resources. What is the purpose of having decontamination equipment that we are paying for when an individual coming off a contaminated lake that is worsening with mussels can't get decon service as advertise. I have high praise for Patchydog for his diligent manner to insure on his part other lakes are not being infected. The educational program by DNR is working for at least most boaters but there are those that will cross the line. I follow those guide lines set forth and having implemented my own to insure I do my part to maintain free from AIS. Not all is bad with DNR but certain areas need beefed up to make certain the program doesn't flop.




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Re: [Bduck] Mussels in the news In reply to
 
Are the people used to decontaminate state employees, or contractors?

The state needs to make it profitable for some roving units.

It would be a great job opportunity for some high school kids in the summer when demand is high.
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Re: [castnshoot] Mussels in the news In reply to
I have only ever seen state employees
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Funding the Utah AIS Program In reply to

I know I'm probably beating a dead horse here, but back in 2015, SB 89 (AQUATIC INVASIVE SPECIES FEE by dipstick Senator S. Jenkins) was passed. That bill assessed an additional $10 fee on every Utah registered watercraft and the money was to be deposited into the Boating Account and to be used for aquatic invasive species interdiction. That’s a good thing. However, comma, it had some MAJOR omissions. It didn’t require the fee be collected from non-registered watercraft such as kayaks, float tubes/pontoons, paddle boards, etc. And there was no mention of collecting fees from non-resident watercraft as is done in neighboring sates like Idaho & Wyoming.


I badgered both Sen Jenkins and my State Representative about the short comings of said bill and the dipstick Jenkins couldn’t be bothered with making any changes to correct the short comings. My Rep agreed with my assessment and he talked with the dipstick Jenkins trying to get him to amend the language. The dipstick wasn’t interested, and it didn’t happen. So in Utah any non-registered watercraft don’t have to support the program financially, and ALL out of state watercraft get a free pass in Utah waters.


You can go back on BFT and find threads that I started trying to get others to follow my lead in this gross negligence, but very few, if any, BFT members responded. Would getting everybody that puts a watercraft of any kind in Utah public waters complete fund the AIS program? Of course it wouldn’t. But it would have lowered the amount of additional funding needed from the state to fund the program.






I tried to get dipstick Jenkins to change the bill such that an additional sticker would be required on ANY watercraft – registered or not – placed in water in Utah. And, like Wyoming does, non-resident watercraft would pay a higher fee for the sticker. I still think that is a better solution than what we have, but I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

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Re: [dubob] Funding the Utah AIS Program In reply to
I totally agree with you dubob. I have not had a problem in supporting neighboring states with the AIS program, our fishing waters don't stop at the borders. My boat has decorative decals from both Idaho and Wyoming. Those two states must be feeling they are getting a bonus with our educational level of AIS, but I would refer to it as staying the night at a Holiday Inn Express and I can wear a cap & gown when visiting . Dumb As far as dipstick Jenkins I do have a better qualifying choice of description.




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Re: [Bduck] Funding the Utah AIS Program In reply to
Bduck wrote:
As far as dipstick Jenkins I do have a better qualifying choice of description.
Me too; but Curt would have a fit if I were to post it. Wink

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Bob Hicks, from Utah
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Re: [TubeDude] Mussels in the news In reply to
The biggest problem isn't with fishermen. Surf boats with fat sacks pump in hundreds of gallons of water to make them heavier for a bigger wake. They take longer to decontaminate and even then you have to wonder how effective that is with those large ballast tanks.
Banning the use of ballast systems would help prevent the spread of mussels and shorten the cleaning line.
Just my 2 cents.
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Re: [night_flyguy] Mussels in the news In reply to
Right you are. Not all watercraft are created equal. Nor do all watercraft pose the same potential problem for AIS contamination.


But I still get dinged the extra charge on licensing my float tube...just because I have an electric motor. They actually wanted to charge me $85 this year...for a "personal watercraft", rather than a float tube.

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Re: [TubeDude] Mussels in the news In reply to
It was a ballast tank of a ship that created this problem in the beginning. Vacationers from across the country only spread the AIS without the knowledge of it existing. Once spread it became the Brown Recluse of the lakes.




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Re: [Bduck] Mussels in the news In reply to
Its not enough that the discussion here shows that there are those who care about what happens with our lakes. I received a generic letter from the office of the Governor today in the snail mail and I'm not sure to be insulted especially after we residents now know where our DMV fees are being shoveled to chopping down trees. Are we to bare the brunt of contamination alone with our fees when AIS shows up in other waters?




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Re: [Bduck] Mussels in the news In reply to
I got that same letter...as will probably everybody who has registered a watercraft. But since I don't dunk my tube in Powell I won't be getting decontaminated down there. However, I still get to pay the increased registration fees.



Before the across-the-board registration increase for all watercraft I paid $37 a year...for having an electric motor on my tube. My renewal this year jumped from $52 to $85. When I took the renewal form and a picture of my float tube into the DMV offices I kept getting "We don't make the laws." Finally my irate tirade got someone's attention and they checked the computer records. Whaddayaknow? They had changed my classification to PWC. Those things should be outlawed...not just taxed. That is adding insult to injury. Our public servants at work.
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Re: [TubeDude] Mussels in the news In reply to
Pat, I would LOVE to see PWC's banned in this state for numerous reasons. Or at least more strictly controlled. Kind of like the off road ATV controls imposed in other states like Maine. Ride an unregistered ATV, get caught, pay a hefty fine. Ride an ATV on private, posted land, get caught, pay a hefty fine and get charged for any damage done to the property. Get 2 of those type tickets, loose your ATV, pay an even bigger fine, and possibly serve jail time.
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Re: [TubeDude] Mussels in the news In reply to
Sorry Tubedude, but I think that is a pretty poor attitude to have for someone who supposedly cares about fish and fishing in Utah. Personally, I am willing to spend $100 a year if it means the state has more funds to fight this problem and help keep some of my waters from being infected. Sadly, whether you like it or not or put your tube in Powell or not, it IS your problem too...and as a concerned fisherman, you should be glad to do what you can to help the problem from getting worse. Okay...I will end my short rant. Go back to whining about having to pay a registration fee for your personal watercraft...
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(This post was edited by SkunkedAgain on Sep 1, 2018, 1:00 PM)
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Re: [wormandbobber] Mussels in the news In reply to
I'm with TD. Since Powell is the only known contaminated water in the State, only the people who boat at Powell should bear the burden of mussel containment.

There should be a mandatory fee to launch at Powell, a mandatory fee to decontaminate everything that leaves Powell, and not just a fine but outright confiscation of anything found to have mussels on it found anywhere else in the state.

They have recently caught over 100 boats with mussels infestations trying to launch at other Utah lakes like Deer Creek and Jordanelle. Those boats should have been not just quarantined, but confiscated and burned. Such egregiously willful violations of the law should be harshly punished - such as total loss of the boat/equipment involved.



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Re: [RockyRaab] Mussels in the news In reply to
Bologna....it is not just a Powell problem. It is something that can affect us all. If you are not willing to help fight the problem...you are willing to accept the problem infecting and affecting the waters you do fish.

IF you are not willing to help fight the contamination of waters you do fish by paying a yearly registration fee on your boat, then you are not doing anything to help fight to keep your waters clean!

Dalebout--a Utah Conservation Officer--said in a recent article, and I agree that all boaters and fishermen should "follow the process [clean, drain, and dry], no matter which water in Utah you've been boating on. "Utah's waters are tested for quagga mussels regularly," he says, "but you never know when and where they might turn up. Cleaning, draining and drying your boat — after every boating trip — will help ensure any mussels that might have attached themselves to your boat, or gotten into its water supply, aren't carried to another water. Please clean and dry your anchors and other equipment too." Paying yearly fees to help fight the spread is part of the fight...
The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls.
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(This post was edited by wormandbobber on Aug 31, 2018, 8:56 AM)
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Re: [RockyRaab] Mussels in the news In reply to
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There should be a mandatory fee to launch at Powell, a mandatory fee to decontaminate everything that leaves Powell, and not just a fine but outright confiscation of anything found to have mussels on it found anywhere else in the state.

They have recently caught over 100 boats with mussels infestations trying to launch at other Utah lakes like Deer Creek and Jordanelle. Those boats should have been not just quarantined, but confiscated and burned. Such egregiously willful violations of the law should be harshly punished - such as total loss of the boat/equipment involved.

Yep.



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Re: [wormandbobber] Mussels in the news In reply to
It certainly can affect us all. But what is the only place in Utah where mussels can come from? Powell.

There still have to be inspection stations elsewhere, because of out-of-state boats - and scofflaws who evade the Powell protocols. But Powell is the source of the problem, and that's where the bulk of the effort has to be placed.



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Re: [RockyRaab] Mussels in the news In reply to
Right now, as far as we know, Powell is the only one. But, the truth is that waters are only tested periodically and right now we very well may have multiple waters infected. This is why it is an all of us problem and not just a Powell problem.

I can agree and would have no problem with Lake Powell boaters paying a mandatory "mussel fee" when arriving. I, too, would like it if decontaminations were mandatory and 24-7; however, the cost to do that just isn't feasible now.

What I will not agree with, though, is that only Powell boaters should pay an increased amount on boat registrations. I believe registrations were hiked up for a good reason and it something that all boaters should have to pay because all boaters are capable of spreading the mussels. And, even if Powell is the only water infected (which we truly do not know for certainty), it is an all of us problem not just a Powell problem.
The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls.
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Re: [wormandbobber] Mussels in the news In reply to
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Sorry Tubedude, but I think that is a pretty piss-poor attitude to have for someone who supposedly cares about fish and fishing in Utah. Personally, I am willing to spend $100 a year if it means the state has more funds to fight this problem and help keep some of my waters from being infected. Sadly, whether you like it or not or put your tube in Powell or not, it IS your problem too...and as a concerned fisherman, you should be glad to do what you can to help the problem from getting worse. Okay...I will end my short rant. Go back to whining about having to pay a registration fee for your personal watercraft...

If I made a post in the woods...and you were not there to read it...would I still be wrong?


You have always been a complete contrarian. No matter what I (or others) post, we are always wrong and you start spouting rhetoric to prove that we are total morons.


I have no problem paying my fair share to help prevent further mussel infestations. My only objection was to being assessed a higher rate for a different kind of watercraft.


Go get another hobby besides trying to tear down everybody on BFT.
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Re: [wormandbobber] Mussels in the news In reply to
If mussels are detected in another body of water, they can immediately apply the "Powell Protocol" there, too.

But unless and until they find mussels in a lake, the boaters who use that lake (and maybe only that lake) should not be penalized for the irresponsibility of others.



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Re: [wormandbobber] Mussels in the news In reply to
You are certainly welcome to your opinion. If you fish different waters within the same week you have probably not drained and dried properly because it takes longer than you waited before relaunching.
You can also contribute to the DWR on a personal level even if you do pay the extra registration. As one sets older and are limited to movement in a flotation devise and use a motor so that you can still enjoy the use of a tube/pontoon, kayak/canoe, or other device.
I beleve the penalty for those caught trying to launching infected boats is too laxed.
If a fee is to be equitable, everyone who uses our waters should have to pay, sail boards/paddle boards and even fishermen such as yourself as your lines and such could be a carriers.
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Re: [RockyRaab] Mussels in the news In reply to
Penalized? It is not a penalty it is a precaution! Big difference. Again, we don't know which waters do and do not have mussels with certainty. Boaters from your favorite waters could very easily be moving them around without knowing it. This is an all boaters issue...it is also why virtually every state has similarly amped up registration fees.
The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls.
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Re: [TubeDude] Mussels in the news In reply to
TubeDude wrote:
If I made a post in the woods...and you were not there to read it...would I still be wrong?


You have always been a complete contrarian. No matter what I (or others) post, we are always wrong and you start spouting rhetoric to prove that we are total morons.


I have no problem paying my fair share to help prevent further mussel infestations. My only objection was to being assessed a higher rate for a different kind of watercraft.


Go get another hobby besides trying to tear down everybody on BFT.

Hmmm...attack the person and not the argument. Isn't that a bit of the pot calling the kettle black?

Sorry, but I think you attitude is piss-poor!
The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls.
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Re: [TubeDude] Mussels in the news In reply to
I received the same letter from the Gov. I was neither encouraged or discouraged by it, since it did not provide any real information or solutions. The only thing that I gleaned from it was that they were finding mussels lodged in the far reaches of water craft. That means that those specific craft are being moored for a great length of time, or are not being properly decontaminated giving the larvae a chance to grow. You do not get mature mussels in/on your boat unless it is moored in the water for several weeks or it has enough moisture to allow the larvae to develop and grow. Either way, someone is not doing their job.

I have been fishing Idaho for the past several years and have been going through their check station and getting to know the ladies that run it. I don't find the process intrusive, tedious, or unnecessary. Utah has established similar stations around the state, but they are usually closed!! Idaho operates their stations from 5AM till 2AM every day, and if someone blows by w/o stopping the Highway Patrol will run em down and escort them back for inspection, while they get a ticket ! they are serious about keeping them out of the state, Utah is not !!

People don't realize how destructive these things are and the cost that they inflict on everyone. Even if you don't boat, you pay the cost in higher power bills, higher water fees, etc. You can't escape it.

We need to continue to demand that DNR/DWR increase their efforts to keep them confined to Powell. WE need to continue to demand that enforcement efforts are carried out 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, not bankers hours, when convenient. Otherwise, we will be inundated with mussels and our boating/fishing will become highly restricted !!
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Re: [Therapist] Mussels in the news In reply to
Well, we all agree that the threat is serious, that the current system isn't enough, and that more has to be done.

I think it should be done primarily but not only at the source, and that violators ought to be severely punished.

And with that, I'm outta here.



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