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Re: [wormandbobber] Mussels in the news In reply to
wormandbobber....

I have a great idea...you should donate all of your money to the program since you really think its a great idea. You should also NOT insist others are wrong for not agreeing....you believe what you believe...I believe you drank the whole 50 gallon drum of government koolaid...



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Re: [dubob] Mussels in the news In reply to
Early June I trailered a boat down to Dana Point, CA to do some fishing and when entering the state all vehicles with boats went through a port of entry. Ossifers were there to pull over anyone who did not stop. Every agriculture related vehicle stopped too.

Leaving CA with the boat wasn't a problem and passing through NV and entering UT there were no manned check stations at the hours we passed through. Knowing we were on the ocean and knowing the boat would not be used for a few weeks we decided to dump half a gallon of bleach and filling the bilge with the bleach water just in case. (it also helped get the stench of sardines used as chum out of the boat) We trailered it with the bleach water solution to make sure it sloshed around and got in any nooks and crannies that we may have missed. It gave us peace of mind if anything.

Because Utah is too cheap to have manned people at check stations 24/7 someone needs to come up with an automated car/boat wash where chemicals strong enough to kill mussels, yet not damage boats can be sprayed, sloshed, and hosed in the boat. Also a basin where vehicles/trailers can experience a good douching and can be decontaminated. Automation Baby!!

I don't have an answer about ballast tanks. Those are useless for fishing so they should be outlawed anyway!! /S

Just my $.02
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Re: [Quicky] Mussels in the news In reply to
dwayneb wrote:

I have a great idea...you should donate all of your money to the program since you really think its a great idea.

Quicky wrote:

Because Utah is too cheap to have manned people at check stations 24/7 ...


contradictory?


Much of this thread has been centered on two thoughts:

A. increasing fees is a bad thing
B. Utah isn't thorough in checking / cleaning boats



Just out of curiosity: How do you accomplish B without A??


you guys want 24/7 cleaning / check stations. You want mandatory decontamination. And you want it all without paying any money -- or, better yet, you want only this that are contaminated to pay the fee.


Here is my feeling: Those poor attitudes will result in your lakes becoming contaminated.

This isn't only a problem for those who currently have the problem to deal with. This is all of our problem. It is inevitable that other lakes will become contaminated. Each of us owns some responsibility in preventing the spread of nuisance species - whether they are mussels, or something else (disease, noxious plants, etc.). AIS is certainly not something that only those who boat on Powell should be held responsible for.

Carry on.



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Re: [PBH] Mussels in the news In reply to
PBH wrote:
dwayneb wrote:
I have a great idea...you should donate all of your money to the program since you really think its a great idea.
Quicky wrote:
Because Utah is too cheap to have manned people at check stations 24/7 ...

contradictory?

Not contradictory. Just two different opinions thrown out on the interweb. My observations are a lot like others' on why there aren't manned checkstations 24/7.
It comes down to money. Is Utah too cheap to do it, or (like I assume, possibly ignorantly) do they just not have anyone willing to do it? Maybe there isn't enough money?

Answer me this:
Why have I, and others, drove past Utah check stations that were "mandatory" and there was nobody there?

What assumptions can be made when passing a "mandatory" check station with nobody home?

I actually threw out a plausible solution to the decontamination problem, i.e. Automation, that can be 24/7.

Obviously invasive species is a problem. Nobody is arguing about that. Let's focus on ideas because I think us anglers are probably the most conscience of the issue and therefore, the most concerned about it.

That, I think, we can agree on.
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Re: [PBH] Mussels in the news In reply to
PBH wrote:
dwayneb wrote:

I have a great idea...you should donate all of your money to the program since you really think its a great idea.

Quicky wrote:

Because Utah is too cheap to have manned people at check stations 24/7 ...


contradictory?


Much of this thread has been centered on two thoughts:

A. increasing fees is a bad thing
B. Utah isn't thorough in checking / cleaning boats



Just out of curiosity: How do you accomplish B without A??.

Yup...totally contradictory. Some guys want 24-7 mandatory cleaning stations, but they don't want to pony up increased fees so that it is possible.

How do you accomplish B without A? Answer: you don't.
The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls.
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Re: [Quicky] Mussels in the news In reply to
Quicky wrote:

Answer me this:
Why have I, and others, drove past Utah check stations that were "mandatory" and there was nobody there?

Because you passed during "off hours" when the check station was not "mandatory". The check station at the port of entry on I-15 has posted hours of operation.

Quicky wrote:
What assumptions can be made when passing a "mandatory" check station with nobody home?

This is the part where anglers are confused. We want to "pass the buck" of responsibility to someone else. "Why isn't the station manned"? Why aren't "they" cleaning my boat?

The real responsibility falls upon the boat owner! It is OUR responsibility to assure that our vessels are clean! if you have boated on an infected water, you must follow the stated rules of clean, drain, and dry.

We have to take ownership of this issue. If all we're going to do is complain that big brother isn't doing a good enough job, then we certainly will end up in a bad place.



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Dr. Raymond Stantz

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Re: [PBH] Mussels in the news In reply to
I personally think that the spread of mussels is inevitable. I sometimes take my kayak with me when Iím working out of state and did so this past Labor Day. I went from Preston Idaho into Wyoming,no inspection. Went past the usual inspection point at Kemerer, closed. Went past Fontenelle, no inspection. Drove along the Bighorn river, no inspection. Fished in Wyoming and then Montana with no inspection.
Yesterday I drove from Wyoming to Lindon Utah without passing an inspection station and then back up to Idaho. It was after 9:00 pm when I crossed into Idaho so the Franklin station was closed.
It would seem that the powers that be assume that mussels-do not travel after dark and after Labor Day.

My personal opinion is that it should be illegal to launch a vessel that has been in documented infested in state waters or any out of state waters without proof of inspection.
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Re: [amik] Mussels in the news In reply to
Wait -- is someone saying that other states have problems too? Crazy.


amik wrote:
My personal opinion is that it should be illegal to launch a vessel that has been in documented infested in state waters or any out of state waters without proof of inspection.

This is already in place.

After pulling your vessel from Powell, your boat is inspected and tagged. If the vessel is not decontaminated, you get an orange tag along with the documentation that shows what was inspected. You are then required to complete the rest of the decontamination on your own including waiting the mandatory number of days (drying time) prior to launching in any other water. If you do get decontaminated, you get a blue (I think) tag along with documentation that shows your vessel was decontaminated and safe to launch without observing the mandatory drying time.



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Dr. Raymond Stantz

(This post was edited by PBH on Sep 14, 2018, 12:24 PM)
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Re: [RockyRaab] Mussels in the news In reply to
 seems to me that the obvious would be to throw a lock on the trailer and quarantine the outfit in the parking lot for the required drying time. Maybe with a daily maintenance fee attached.... or heck, just call a tow truck, and impound the thing for the minimum drying time. seems easy to me... That's of course if one could detect an infestation prior to launch. That can't be easy, can't imagine how that could be done. .. I think the mussels will soon live everywhere they can live.
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Re: [binlurkin] Mussels in the news In reply to
It has never been a problem to stop and collect fees from every vehicle entering Powell (Glen Canyon National Recreation Area) we understand how that was done with ease. Many have reported being denied a boat cleaning when requested at departure by the very folks assigned to perform that function. The current plan to provide resources and staff at the hundreds of location where these watercraft might arrive is certainly nothing but a joke.
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Re: [PBH] Mussels in the news In reply to
I still don't understand why I can be trusted to self certify that I cleaned/drained/dry the required amount of days but I can't be trusted to self certify I am clean if I use my own equipment to wash with 140 degree water??
" It's all fun and games until someone loses an 'eye'".
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Re: [SBennett] Mussels in the news In reply to
SBennett wrote:
... I am clean if I use my own equipment to wash with 140 degree water??

Do you have a hot-water washer?
Would you be willing to wash my boat for me? (for a fee, of course)



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Re: [PBH] Mussels in the news In reply to
I don't, only because I am not allowed to self certify a decontamination.
I fish DC a lot in the middle of the week, when it became a suspect water I had to change my ways because I could no longer fish DC thursday nights till midnight or so and then be on a different water on saturday.
I inquired of the DWR to be able to self certify a de-con but was only allowed to self certify a drain and dry.
" It's all fun and games until someone loses an 'eye'".
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