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Scofield. M.O.T.S.S.
Against my better judgement, I went to Scofield today. M.O.T.S.S. More Of The Same Shtuff. Underdeveloped cutts, and still chubs.




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Fishrmn

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Re: [Fishrmn] Scofield. M.O.T.S.S. In reply to
I assume you were near the dam or is the reservoir frozen?
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Re: [grandpafish] Scofield. M.O.T.S.S. In reply to
Madsen Bay. Whole reservoir is frozen.

The chub put up the best fight of the day.



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Re: [Fishrmn] Scofield. M.O.T.S.S. In reply to
no worries Fshrmn. In about 6 years, maybe, we should have enough information for someone to decide to keep up with M.O.T.S.S.



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Re: [PBH] Scofield. M.O.T.S.S. In reply to
PBH wrote:

In about 6 years, maybe, we should have enough information for someone to decide to keep up with M.O.T.S.S.

You are an optimist if you think it will only be for another 6 years. In10 years (or more) and nothing has changed, but they will say be patient because it will in another 5 or 6 years.


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Re: [Fishrmn] Scofield. M.O.T.S.S. In reply to
That is great, from the sounds of it you caught more cutts than chubs, so things are improving.Cool Some of us look at it from the perspective of the glass half full, while others look at as half empty. From what I have read from the post of many members that fish there, things are improving at Scofield. Cutts always take time to grow, especially for the first year or two after they are planted. In just about every lake they are in, they are underdeveloped until they reach a certain size.


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Re: [Fishrmn] Scofield. M.O.T.S.S. In reply to
Just out of curiosity, what were you expecting?





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wiperhunter2 wrote:
That is great, from the sounds of it you caught more cutts than chubs, so things are improving.Cool Some of us look at it from the perspective of the glass half full, while others look at as half empty. From what I have read from the post of many members that fish there, things are improving at Scofield. Cutts always take time to grow, especially for the first year or two after they are planted. In just about every lake they are in, they are underdeveloped until they reach a certain size.


Had they poisoned it, his chub catch would have been 0, and the cutthroat would have been the same. So the net result is that we are behind schedule. That's a downer.



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Re: [wiperhunter2] Scofield. M.O.T.S.S. In reply to
No, things aren't improving. I've always caught more cutthroats than chubs. In fact, I used to have to deliberately try for chubs. Now they just hit the same stuff I'm using for trout. They're still there, and they're still too numerous to allow the other fish to get anything to eat. Under developed is one thing. Emaciated, snaky, shoelace sized fish are another. We've been at this for at least 18 years. Another 6 would make a quarter of a century.




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doggonefishin wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what were you expecting?
Pretty much what I got. I certainly wasn't expecting the kind of fishing that Scofield used to provide. I wasn't expecting the kind of fishing that you get after a fishery has been restarted after a rotenone treatment.



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Re: [Fishrmn] Scofield. M.O.T.S.S. In reply to
Put some master predators in Scofield. More Tigermuskies, more Wipers, Walleye and maybe some Blue cats. In short time there would be no Chubs or shoestring Cutts. Maybe some Bluegills. Better tugs than Hatchery carp!
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Re: [Fishrmn] Scofield. M.O.T.S.S. In reply to
Maybe they should do another state wide survey from anglers, that seemed to help🙄. Or possibly a 8 fish trout limit to help cull the trout so there is more chow to go around🙄. Or maybe... just maybe they should poison the lake, start over, and get it over with.

The bottom line is Scofield is the number 1 reservoir in the state for growing large trout fast. It is getting insulting to keep being told the same fairy tale story line year in and year out with little results.

I want Scofield Reservoir back!!!!
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Re: [ice_sled] Scofield. M.O.T.S.S. In reply to
But, but...where would people get catfish and Strawberry bait?



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Northman wrote:
Maybe they should do another state wide survey from anglers, that seemed to help🙄. Or possibly a 8 fish trout limit to help cull the trout so there is more chow to go around🙄. Or maybe... just maybe they should poison the lake, start over, and get it over with.

The bottom line is Scofield is the number 1 reservoir in the state for growing large trout fast. It is getting insulting to keep being told the same fairy tale story line year in and year out with little results.

I want Scofield Reservoir back!!!!

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Fishrmn

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion."
— Thomas Jefferson

"The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its limits."
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Put some master predators in Scofield. More Tigermuskies, more Wipers, Walleye and maybe some Blue cats. In short time there would be no Chubs or shoestring Cutts. Maybe some Bluegills. Better tugs than Hatchery carp!

hmmm....in short time? Or maybe in 10 years. Maybe. That's a really big maybe. In fact, it's a maybe not.



The problem with this logic is size and quantity. It isn't easy to raise enough (quantity) large (size) predators to stock in the lake to make a difference, especially "in short time".

So, as an alternative, they do what they did. They stock a lot (quantity) of small predators. The problem with small predators is that they eat the same thing the chubs eat. And, guess what? The chubs do a better job of eating that same food, and thus outcompete those predators, causing them to grow (or die) very slowly. And the chubs keep reproducing, and reproducing, and reproducing.


There is nothing "short" about the current strategy. If "in short time" were truly desired, rotenone would have been used, and Scofield would already be kicking out nice sized predators.



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Re: [Northman] Scofield. M.O.T.S.S. In reply to
If I remember correctly there wasn’t a Chub problem until they raised the limit to 8 fish limit a few years ago. A lot of big fish were e taken out at that time. Trophy sized fish.
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There is still a good supply of Chubs in the Price River.
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Re: [PBH] Scofield. M.O.T.S.S. In reply to
Did you happen to see the two year old Wiper that the UDWR showed from the gill nets? I'd be willing to bet it was one of these. And it hadn't grown any in the year that it was in Scofield.
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SCOFIELD RES CARBON WIPER 2250 7.5 10/13/2017
SCOFIELD RES CARBON WIPER 2250 7.5 10/13/2017
SCOFIELD RES CARBON WIPER 399 10.51 10/13/2017

I like Wipers. I wish they could do well in Scofield. I just don't think they will. I've had conversations with guys who work for the UDWR that don't think they will either. As in, if they don't plant them at least 8 inches long, they won't survive. 6 months of cold water, and dormancy is pretty hard on them.



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If I remember correctly there wasn’t a Chub problem until they raised the limit to 8 fish limit a few years ago. A lot of big fish were e taken out at that time. Trophy sized fish.

A few trophy sized fish does not = a healthy fishery. A healthy fishery is often determined by growth rates. If average growth rates are slow, there is a problem.



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Re: [Fishrmn] Scofield. M.O.T.S.S. In reply to
Fishrmn wrote:

I like Wipers...

I LOVE wipers. I think they are awesome, and they do a fantastic job in waters infested by chubs. They have proven in numerous places to effectively control (eliminate?) chubs populations. They have been an amazing tool for our fisheries managers.




Fishrmn wrote:
...I wish they could do well in ScofieldI just don't think they will. I've had conversations with guys who work for the UDWR that don't think they will either. As in, if they don't plant them at least 8 inches long, they won't survive. 6 months of cold water, and dormancy is pretty hard on them.

I'm with you, and them. I have a hard time believing that they will be able to thrive at Sofield's elevation. I really think we are pushing their limits.

I agree with that other guy -- let's put some blue catfish in there too! At this point, why not? Let's just go for broke and prove how futile this plan is!



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Re: [Fishrmn] Scofield. M.O.T.S.S. In reply to
I also wonder how the tiger muskies will do at that elevation? The ideal temperature for tigers is 68-75 degrees so their rapid growing period may be short lived each year. Only time will tell as they only began planting these in 2017.
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I have to say an interesting conversation by the same folks.

I for one learned long ago learned get involved and do what you can being proactive and involved. I attempt to live by that, have I made mistakes oh heck yea. So with that being said:

I've been informally and formally (invited to attend meeting) hosted by the DNR and DWR fishing biologists. I listen and provide constructive input as an angler. I remain upbeat and positive at what these folks are doing and plans they are working.

Per info at a recent meeting and working with state officials I've been able to gather info from them and also being proactive have provided them with meaningful feedback.

They are making a difference at Scofield. Now the nay-sayers want instant gratification maybe listen and be involved would be my recommendation and do what you can. Stand back and look in the mirror: what are you doing to help, what constructive feedback do you provide with justifiable rationale. Heck maybe change your bait and big fish like bigger baits. Just my recommendation.

Here's info I want to share WRT Scofield after a recent meeting I attended with email follow up questions to the DWR folks over this awesome body of water that I look forward to fishing soon:

"Scofield, tiger muskies were up to 27" this fall and we netted a wiper that was 14" and very robust. That wiper was an overwintered fish. We also netted 40 wiper between 4-6" that were stocked in May at about 1.5". Chub numbers continue to trend down and their size structure is going up. This is good news. We also stocked 20,000 12"+ rainbows that anglers appear to be catching. So all in all things are going very well up there."

Finally I've attached photos and here is a link to a video on the October 5 gill netting they did. Folks things take time and for me I'll side on time as killing off a body of water well as Einstein so accurately said it if one keeps doing the same thing expecting different results its insanity. Along with wasting time and money for us now. I'll give Scofield time as I'm not about doing the same thing expecting different results. I also have seen on this Forum and throughout various other Social Media sites...well folks are appearing happy with Scofield and having fun with their families, kids, and grandkids.

Here is a link to a video that was shared with me on Scofield and I hope the link works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBFfVbymdCY


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I also wonder how the tiger muskies will do at that elevation? The ideal temperature for tigers is 68-75 degrees so their rapid growing period may be short lived each year. Only time will tell as they only began planting these in 2017.

Time will tell. They've done okay at Fish Lake and Johnson Reservoir. The UDWR has no plans to do anything different for at least another 4 years.



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Time will tell. ... The UDWR has no plans to do anything different for at least another 4 years.


So, in another 4 years there is a chance that we could be where we could have been this year by using rotenone?



I don't get the "doing the same thing over and getting the same results" argument.

Rotenone it. Restock with tiger musky, wiper, blue cats, and trout (and whatever else you want). How is that doing the same thing over?


I'll never understand the "let's wait" plan. Why wait when you can have better by acting now?


I guess that's what I get for never getting involved. Laugh



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FWIW there is an issue with Johnson Reservoir with water elevation as it gets drained and becomes a murky mud puddle. Next Tiger Muskies are NOT stocked in Fish Lake they make their way to Fish Lake from Johnson.

Now with the above being said Tiger Muskies in Joes Valley are doing very well and that is cold water. Per data I've seen and researched that is a good thing colder water.

Finally at PV Tiger Muskies are doing okay even in the warmer water and per the fin ray samples are living to 11 years and that's warmer water. The DWR is working with USU on fin rays from JV and hoping for that info soon as it's believed the colder the water the longer TM will live.

In the Basin area tiger muskies are doing okay and helping eliminate the carp issue that eventually and hopefully will help downstream with Pelican.


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Once you know everything about anything its what you learn afterwards that counts.

Skunked, we never get skunked its the fish getting skunked as they just kept missing our lures.
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