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Re: [TubeDude] Strange Fish, Can Anyone Identify? In reply to
I found this link about suckers, I did not realise there were that many different types:
http://www.roughfish.com/suckers
I wonder if the DWR could have accidently got redhorse suckers mixed in with the Bluehead sucker when they stocked them in the WeberUnsure.
https://www.researchgate.net/...the_Weber_River_Utah


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(This post was edited by wiperhunter2 on Feb 14, 2019, 2:06 PM)
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Re: [wiperhunter2] Strange Fish, Can Anyone Identify? In reply to
Anything is possible. If they got their planting stock from another state there could well have been some "bonus" immigrants.


Looking up the bluehead sucker shows it has more of a suckerlike mouth than the smaller one on the redhorse...in some pictures. In others it does not look too much unlike the fish in the OP picture.

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Re: [odthefly] Strange Fish, Can Anyone Identify? In reply to
Same food group as a trout.
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Re: [AddWater] Strange Fish, Can Anyone Identify? In reply to
Hello all, First let me introduce myself. My Name is Chance Broderius and I am the Native Aquatics Biologist for the Division of Wildlife in the Northern Region. The fish in the OPís picture is most definitely a Redhorse Sucker. If you made me narrow it down to a specific species, I would say it is a Shorthead Redhorse (Moxostoma macrolepidotum). OP if you have any other pictures of the fish in question I would love to see them to get a more definitive answer for you.

To address wiperhunterís concerns that maybe we (DWR) accidentally stocked them with a stocking of Bluehead Sucker. That is wholly not possible, as the DWR has never stocked Bluehead sucker into the Weber River from another body of water. The Blueheads that occur in the Weber are native and a state species of concern. They are the reason that it is unlawful to keep or kill any non-game fish other than common carp in the Weber River. I can assure you that it would be highly unlikely that the DWR would stock any suckers in the Weber River that were not produced from stock taken from the Weber River so as to preserve the genetic integrity of the population.

I have attached a Redhorse ID cheatsheet as well as a picture of a Weber Bluehead. Enjoy!

Chance
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Re: [dickyfishrule] Strange Fish, Can Anyone Identify? In reply to
Thank you for your professional enlightenment.
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Re: [dickyfishrule] Strange Fish, Can Anyone Identify? In reply to
Hello Chance, unfortunately we only have the 2 pictures that I attached in the original post. After looking at the I.D cheat sheet I can say with almost 100% certainty that it is of the Shorthead Redhorse variety. The info I've provided is just about all that I can offer in regards to the catch, however, if you have any questions I am more than happy to provide you with as many details that I can.
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Re: [TubeDude] Strange Fish, Can Anyone Identify? In reply to
To add to what TD said, in Missouri, when the Dogwoods bloom, everyone in the Ozarks would head to the local streams and harvest suckers, mostly Red Horse . They would be then dry salted or brined in barrels for later use. Considered a delicacy. In the early days here in Utah, the Pioneers mimicked the Indians and would gather on the banks of Provo River and harvest, JUNE SUCKERS ( no such thing, Mtn. Suckers) as they would run up the river to spawn. Again, they would dry salt or brine them in barrels for later use. The primary purpose of the old Madsen camp on the lower Provo was to harvest suckers for human consumption.
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Re: [dickyfishrule] Strange Fish, Can Anyone Identify? In reply to
Welcome to the site Chance and thanks for the info. Are the Shorthead Redhorse native to Utah? Were you aware they were in the Weber drainage? According to these links they seems to be a sucker found more to the East of Utah:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorthead_redhorse

http://www.roughfish.com/shorthead-redhorse


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(This post was edited by wiperhunter2 on Feb 15, 2019, 6:47 AM)
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Re: [wiperhunter2] Strange Fish, Can Anyone Identify? In reply to
Redhorse sucker are not native to Utah, they are an east-of-the-rockieskind of fish, and I was unaware of them in the Weber. For that reason I am hoping that this is a one of a kind of occurrence and not a new introduction. We've sampled every stretch of that river to determine the range of Bluehead sucker so we would have seen them if they were there before.

Also, not to discount the OP but neither of the pictures posted have any proof that they were for sure taken at echo (cropped and blurry). I'm kind of hoping that they are pulling our chains a littleWink but if not and the fish truly was caught at echo we will be on the lookout for them in future sampling efforts and from there we will assess the situation.

Chance
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Re: [dickyfishrule] Strange Fish, Can Anyone Identify? In reply to
Do they have this type of sucker in Montana? After reading your last reply, I decided to check this new members IP address and found that he is from Kalispell Montana. His first 6 post were from there but his last post was from Murray, Ut. I think you are correct and it is unlikely that fish came from Echo but I would never say never. Could be this new member is playing a game and violating our rules by posting a false report. Unless he has more proof, I'll consider that the case. It could be that he caught a fish similar to that and found that fish on the interweb and posting it but whatever the case thank you for coming on BFT and helping us out with this head scratcher.


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(This post was edited by wiperhunter2 on Feb 15, 2019, 6:37 PM)
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Re: [wiperhunter2] Strange Fish, Can Anyone Identify? In reply to
If addwater did make a fake post its one of the best posts i have read on here ever.LOL
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Re: [fishroof] Strange Fish, Can Anyone Identify? In reply to
Well seeing as those pictures were taken in 2013, I'd say this is fake news.
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I guess you never read this post then:
http://www.bigfishtackle.com/...g=strawberry;#512301


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Re: [dickyfishrule] Strange Fish, Can Anyone Identify? In reply to
It is looking more like this may be a "fake news" post, but I had indicated earlier that I had caught "horse suckers" in the drainage in question sometime in the past and I figured I would share the details of that, such as they are.

In the mid 1970's, my dad and I caught an unusual (to me) sucker out of a certain hole in the middle Weber outside of Wanship. Dad called them "horse suckers". He wasn't a biologist and I was 10-11 years old. I remember the fish being reddish, but don't recall details. We caught one there 2 years in a row. I had since forgotten about it until this thread. I last fished this reach about 12 years ago and the hole is still there, albeit smaller.

If there is any substance to the original post, and you would like to check the area I am referring to, I would be happy to take you there. (It is in a public access stretch still.) If time permits, I would also be interested in helping with the bluehead project in any other way as well.

Thanks for the input on this thread.





I caught you a delicious bass.
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Re: [doggonefishin] Strange Fish, Can Anyone Identify? In reply to
Definately a fake report. A reverse image search showed the same photo was posted on the roughfish site in 2014.
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Re: [AddWater] Strange Fish, Can Anyone Identify? In reply to
Well itís about time you knuckle heads figured it out. Most you fellas ainít as bright as ya thought, eh? Lol
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Re: [harlin] Strange Fish, Can Anyone Identify? In reply to
harlin wrote:
Definately a fake report. A reverse image search showed the same photo was posted on the roughfish site in 2014.

Yep, well it looks like I bit on it pretty good. I suppose, well played by the poster in that regard. Wink

At least I was the first one to correctly identify the species. Cool





I caught you a delicious bass.
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Re: [AddWater] Strange Fish, Can Anyone Identify? In reply to
good job,That was a good one.You got alot of these old boys.LOL
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Re: [AddWater] Strange Fish, Can Anyone Identify? In reply to
Looks like to me you should have feed the Eagles a nice lunch.
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