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 My honey and I headed out this morning before the wind came up. Spent the morning looking at the following pictures of fish on my fish finder. Anybody have an idea what these are? I am thinking carp. ideas?
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 I guess I double posted the same picture. Sorry, here is the other one.
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I saw a ton of those marks Saturday. Didn't see many marks like that yesterday. I was guessing walleye or wipers Saturday, but don't really know.
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Pretty hard to guess, but usually the carp are more singular type fish and not close together, but it is the spawning season so that's probably not the case this time of year, so they could be carp. Those that are close to the bottom would make me think they could be walleye or catfish and the size tends to indicate a fish bigger than say crappie... Wiper would be a possibility as well, but if nothing was biting it's probably carp or adult shad. Have I covered everything? I really can't tell from the one point screen shots and without a camera down to verify what they are... But they are fish and not other floaters... Later J
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I'd say walleye but I have seen similar pics that turned out to be perch.


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+1 to what Curt said.

In that depth I would think Walleye.

Bottom bouncers should tell you next time you see this.

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Yep. Those are definitely marks on your screen. Beyond that it is purely guesswork.

Unless you have a unit that shows big scales, long whiskers, teeth or shapes, the best you can do is factor in your previous experience and your knowledge of the lake and its species.

Because of the variety of species in Willard...and their different habits at different times of the year...it is easy to mistake shad for crappies and vice versa. And any fish orienting to the bottom could be any species...walleye, crappie, carp, catfish or shad. They all hang out on the down-low at times. Unless your sonar is very good at delineating shapes and sizes you don't got a chance of getting it right all the time.

All that being said, if you are on a set of "numbers" where you have done well on a targeted species in the past...when the fish were suspending at a specific depth...the marks that show up in the right zone are likely to be the ones you are after. But, as we all know, finding fish is no guarantee that they will open their little mouths and munch what you are offering.

I love it when non-fishing doofii scoff at our use of electronics...saying that it gives us an unfair advantage. What do they know about the frustration we feel when our electronics show lots of fish below us but we get no love from any of them.

As I was told many years ago, when first contemplating adding sonar to my bag of tricks...the main advantage of sonar is to help you eliminate water that holds no fish and to concentrate on water that does. Ya cain't ketch 'em where they ain't.

(This post was edited by TubeDude on May 16, 2019, 9:38 AM)
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Looks like your sensitivity needs to go up and your transducer angle needs to be adjusted...Fishin'
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 Thanks everyone for your thoughts. To clarify, we did crawler harnesses, jigs, and even trolled at varied speeds between 2.3 and 2.7 ,flicker shadĎs. All to no avail. We did finally catch one catfish in all these marks. Mike hit On fishfinder stuff that might apply. I recently broke my transducer mount and replaced with a new stronger one. I have been adjusting. Initially I was too low in the water. I had a rooster tail that could choke a horse! I raised it up. At 15 to 20 miles an hour the transducer is skimming across the top of the water and will settle down to about 3 inches below waterline at 1 mph. Very little rooster tale. I also have been fiddling with the sensitivity, have increased quite a bit. Since then I have thought maybe all these marks were schools of baitfish, All put together with a stronger sensitivity setting. Of course I didnít think of that when I was out on the water. Couldíve turned it down to see.
Anyway, just a little more to thicken the plot.
On another note, if the fish stay put you may be able to see this in 21 feet of water, east of the island, all the way up around the north end. It was absolutely thick All the way. But I couldnít seem to find any biters in all of this. Hopefully you all will. Thanks again
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 Ps: Any thoughts on how to correctly adjust the sensitivity and transducer angle on this type of fishfinder would be greatly appreciated.
It is a hummingbird helix seven with GPS and side imaging.
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Many, many years ago, when fish finders were still relatively new for the common man, and I was new to fish finders, I was fishing at the Gorge. My fisher finder was showing a LOT of fish about 7 feet below the surface, everywhere, so I focused my efforts at that depth. It was beyond frustrating to try everything under the sun and not get even a strike. After a long time of that, I had the thought to turn down the gain. Suddenly all the 'fish' at the 7 ft depth disappeared. And I started seeing blips at deeper depths, but far fewer and more random. When I fished deeper, I started to get some action. Over time, as I gained more experience with the fish finder, I realized that on that day at the Gorge what I was seeing at the 7 ft depth on that day was probably the thermocline combined with gunk in the water due to the thermocline. Since then, I often turn the gain up high on purpose, temporarily, to find out where the thermocline is. Sometimes that helps me understand what is going on down there.

So these days I take it easy with the gain and sensitivity settings so that I am not seeing every leaf and piece of debris at a mark on the screen.

On a side note, on that day at the Gorge (near Lucerne) I had an interesting experience, or you might say 'inexperience'. Once I got the depth right I started catching some fish. But that got a little frustrating too. I was using popgear and a worm, about 15-20 ft down, to target rainbows. I was getting hits and hooking fish, but the first 3 or 4 came off the hook right at the boat as I tried to hoist them in. So I started using a net, and I was able to get the next few in the boat. They were only about 9-10 inches, so I was letting them go. I noticed that these 'rainbows' were especially silvery looking, and they were leaving little scales all over the boat. It was actually years later when I realized that what I had been catching on that day at the Gorge were little kokanee, and I was not getting them in the boat without the net because of their softer mouths. And then I also, remembered a day back around 1985 when I was fishing at Porcupine (was attending USU to be a fisheries biologist) with a fly and bubble from a raft. On that day I caught a little 'trout' about 5 inches long, and I thought it was sick because it was silvery and losing scales like crazy as I released it. My fingers were covered with scales. My first kokanee, and I didn't know it at the time.
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Hey Gene, there are a bunch of YouTube videos on this topic, here is a link to one of them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEqV53Mv1jo


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Any thoughts on how to correctly adjust the sensitivity and transducer angle on this type of fishfinder would be greatly appreciated.


I used the coin method to level my transducer. He may not be clear on the video, but you want to moving at the speed you intend to be using the transducer (in my case 5 mph) when you determine level using the coins.

Link to video


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(This post was edited by kentofnsl on May 17, 2019, 3:03 PM)
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Thanks again everyone
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Thanks for that tip. It didn't cross my mind to level it up at trolling speed. I thought I was smart enough to have it level while in water under normal loaded conditions. It may not end up being much different in the end, but every bit helps.
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this is a good one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw_AGEjzR-4

look at his you-tube Chanel he has some good videos
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Thanks
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 Thanks everyone. So Iíve been trying to adjust The transducer for reading at higher speeds. And at the same time Iím trying to eliminate that rooster tail. Should I not be concerned about the Roostertail? In order to eliminate the Roostertail I have to move the transducer up about 1/4 to /2 inch. This is a guess as I am looking down on the transducer while my wife is driving letís say 20 miles an hour. the transducer is plowing through water creating the Roostertail I have been thinking it should be skimming across the top of the water. is this correct or not? I have the transducer mounted pretty much the way everyone suggests. But when the boat is in the water standing still or running at 3 miles an hour, the transducer is about 4 inches under the water. When I come up on plane at higher speeds the transducer is running still about a half inch below the water level which means if I raise it up a half an inch, then the transducer is roughly a half an inch above the bottom of the boat when itís sitting on the trailer. I would like not to drill more holes and find out that it is wrong. Does anyone have any ideas on this? Maybe the rooster tail is no big deal, but it seems like it would be creating itís own interference while it Creates that rooster tail.
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I don't like Roostertails
I don't really need to know how deep the water is at speeds over trolling speeds.


https://www.youtube.com/...nue=73&v=zEqV53Mv1jo
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If you could post a couple of pictures of you transducer while the boat is on the trailer, it would help us out. A side picture, 3-4 feet away and a rear picture. the side picture should be level with the bottom of the boat for a reference. Also putting a transducer mounting board on the stern of your boat will allow multiple trials for locating the transducer without adding any more holes in the stern of the boat. They would just be in the mounting board.
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As suggested, a mounting board is the way to go. A plastic cutting board cut to the desired size works great.


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 Thanks all, after reviewing all the information and videos that you guys have sent, I have readjusted the transducer, again. Iíll try it out and let you know how it goes. Thanks again