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Guess this kitty's weight?
My friend caught this nice channel at UL tonight.
He did not have a scale and wants to know the weight of it?
I told him I just happen to have access to a great group of catfish hunters ( all of you) that I'm sure can guess her weight within a few ounces?
BLK, Pat, Skunked, everyone else, please take a swing at its weight.
I'm thinking high 12's to mid 13.
" It's all fun and games until someone loses an 'eye'".
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Re: [SBennett] Guess this kitty's weight? In reply to
11# of ugly is my guess.
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Re: [ice_sled] Guess this kitty's weight? In reply to
It would help if we knew its length. I tried a number of ways to estimate its length and couldn't get a satisfactory average. But it looks somewhere in the vicinity of 30". Here's the (approximate) scale:

28.5"=9.5 lbs.
29.0"=10.0 lbs.
29.5"=10.5 lbs.
30.0"=11.5 lbs.
30.5"=12.0 lbs.
31.0"=12.5 lbs.
31.5"=13.0 lbs.

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(This post was edited by catchinon on Jun 1, 2019, 6:26 AM)
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Re: [SBennett] Guess this kitty's weight? In reply to
I'd say the catfish was probably in the 9.5 to 10 pound range judging by it's size compared to the person's fingers. I would put the length at about 28 to 29 inches, again based on the same comparison.

It's definitely a nice channel catfish. Due to it's age, this would be a good one to release to avoid possible mercury exposure. The older the fish, the higher the mercury build up in it's tissues.

Mike


"Fish TopH2O and your skill will surface!"
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Re: [catchinon] Guess this kitty's weight? In reply to
Here's Jig-fisher's 30.5"er for comparison. Probably a 12 pounder.

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(This post was edited by catchinon on Jun 1, 2019, 6:53 AM)
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TopH2O wrote:
I'd say the catfish was probably in the 9.5 to 10 pound range judging by it's size compared to the person's fingers. I would put the length at about 28 to 29 inches, again based on the same comparison.

It's definitely a nice channel catfish. Due to it's age, this would be a good one to release to avoid possible mercury exposure. The older the fish, the higher the mercury build up in it's tissues.

Mike
No mercury issues in Utah Lake. However, there are elevated levels of PCBs in carp and larger cats.
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Re: [TubeDude] Guess this kitty's weight? In reply to
However, the catfishing veterans I have fished with all have told me that the littler ones are the best eating and that the big ones ought to be returned to grow even bigger.

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Re: [catchinon] Guess this kitty's weight? In reply to
Yeah, verily. I have eaten more than a few pounds of catfish flesh from Utah Lake over the years. And I will add my opinion to that of many others...cats under 20 inches are the best eating. Although they are still very good up to at least 24"...and there are some days when you don't get any smaller. Some problems are better to have than others.


There are no slot limits on cats. Nor should there be. They have always maintained a healthy population without any assistance from humans. From an ecological standpoint, it is probably best to release the larger ones to maintain a healthy gene pool of fish that grow larger. And the larger ones produce more eggs at each spawning too.



From personal experience I can attest that there is not much (if any) degradation of quality of the flesh. Unlike some species, cats do not seem to be subject to flesh parasites in larger fish. But they can accumulate more oils in the flesh...along with any contaminants that accumulate in the oils. However, if you cut large fillets into small "finger strips"...and soak them in milk, salt water or baking soda...or other leaching liquids...it will reduce the potential for oiliness and strong tastes.



Prior to about 2001...while Geneva Steel was still dumping chemical-laden waste water into Utah Lake...even some of the smaller cats sometimes had an "off taste". That is unless you really like the taste of gear box oil. But that was more pronounced the closer you got to ground zero...Lindon. Fish from Lincoln Beach and the Knolls were usually not much affected.


Since Utah Lake is a big shallow bowl, a high water year like this one can effectively fill the lake a couple of times over. This results in at least a partial flush of the lake and downstream removal of at least some of the chemical buildup and algae nutrients. However, such high water years are less and less common...and the results are water quality problems, algae blooms. The good news is that there has been no measurable adverse affects on the quality of the fish in the lake. There have been no fish dieoffs or illnesses attributable to eating fish from "green water".


By the way, I did not chime in on the estimation of weight on the fish picture posted. Without accurate measurements of length and girth the best you can do is go by the length/weight chart you posted. Just by looking at it my guess would be just north of about 10#. All cats are fun...regardless of size. But in these warming waters they have more "catitude".

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Hi Pat,
I tried to scale it off of Davis's sunglasses but had to take a measurement off of a random pair of sunglasses at 5.5".
I estimate it between 30-30.5". I went high 12's because she looks to have some eggs in her.
I will see his Dad tonight and find out if they measured it.
" It's all fun and games until someone loses an 'eye'".
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Re: [SBennett] Guess this kitty's weight? In reply to
Hi Shane. I would have guessed a bit either side of 30 inches. And it could well be approaching 12#. It does have some girth.


Here is a picture that includes a late fall caught mama cat that was 32 inches and weighed right at 12#. There can be an easy 1-2# weight swing in fish of the same length...depending on season (spawning), food resources, overall health, etc.




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Re: [SBennett] Guess this kitty's weight? In reply to
I say 10 pounds and 17 ounces. Nice cat.

Hopefully, more big ones like that will start showing up this week.Unsure
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Re: [SBennett] Guess this kitty's weight? In reply to
Hey, Shane. I measured finger width and length, eye width, forearm, and leg. I got measurements from 28-33 inches. The problem of going off the eyes and glasses is that his face is farther away from the camera than the fish is and I think we all know how a fish can be made to look bigger by holding it out closer to the camera (not that I am saying that it was done here). In any case I think it's just a WAG. Smile

Just for reference, typically a human face is ~5.5" wide. Pupil to pupil is about 2.5".

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Re: [SBennett] Guess this kitty's weight? In reply to
Great catch guys

Based on my experience that fish is 8 or 9 lbs

So far this year I have caught 7-12 lbs and 1-14 lbs and a multitude of 8-10 lbs

Reference my recent post there is a 6,8,12,&14 on there for comparison

Keep up the Cat scratch fever
pike
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Re: [NEXTBITE] Guess this kitty's weight? In reply to
I just looked at that post again, and wow, those are some big ones. How long were they? We need you to join the catfishing contest and help show those guys up north what we've got down here.SmileFish On

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Re: [SBennett] Guess this kitty's weight? In reply to
Not trying to burst your bubble but I am guessing 7 to 8 pounds
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Re: [catchinon] Guess this kitty's weight? In reply to
Biggest was 31,second was 29.5
Thats the top end the last few years
I have only caught a couple in the low 20s over the years at UL and they were 34 Im not certain they go any longer just thicker
Good luck out there
pike
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Re: [NEXTBITE] Guess this kitty's weight? In reply to
They definitely get longer...and heavier. Here is a picture of a 29 pounder from 2007. And I have had reliable reports of others of similar size since. But the guys who catch them usually do not advertise it.


In years past I caught several around 20# and one that went 24# and 37 inches. But in the last 15 years my biggest was about 34".


The Loys (carp seiners) claim they catch and release many big cats...some well over 20#...every year. But those bigguns live and feed differently than the smaller members of the family. And there are not very many of them in a big lake. You have to be lucky to be fishing in an area they might be hanging out. And you have to present the right bait, the right way at the right time.



Those big cats also require heavy tackle, good gear and the knowledge of how to battle and land big fish. Since most Utah Lake anglers fish with tackle that is just not adequate for big cats it is no wonder that so few of them are ever brought in. And even guys who use heavy line often lose big fish to poor or nicked line, bad knots, wimpy hooks, improperly set drags, etc. This forum is full of reports about guys breaking off even medium sized kitties on heavy gear. Fish don't break lines...fishermen do. Almost every cat 10# or larger that I have landed over the past few years has had one or more broken lines coming out of their mouths. Usually wimpy line but sometimes not.
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There it is, my dream fish! Wow!
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Speaking of breaking off fish, I have had one fish break me this year. It got into some slabs of concrete and hung me up. I tried moving all over but ultimately it broke me. I do not horse fish in at all, but let the drag do its work. I also check my line after each fish that I catch. If I feel even a hint of abrasion on the line, I retie up to a point above the abrasion. I don't use braid. I have caught the majority of my big fish on 15lb P-Line Fluocarbon. I also have a rod rigged with 20lb P-line as well. Great low visibility and very abrasion resistant. I use the double palomar knot to tie my hooks to the line and do not use a swivel or leader. I use a small split shot to hold my sliding sinker in place. Most breaks come at the weakest part of the line, the knot. So I reduce my knots to one. Just a little about what I use. Others have their preferences and really like what they use.

I guess the fish around 10 to 11lbs. Ugly, fat, great fish!
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 "I have had one fish break me this year. It got into some slabs of concrete and hung me up."

Snags and sharp edges on bottom structure are about the only valid reason for losing a well-hooked catfish. That is why the strength and type of your main line is sometimes not as important as having a strong abrasion-resistant leader. Or...minimizing knots by tying your hook directly to your main line...as you have standardized. However, if an experienced old cat knows how to do the two granny knots and a half hitch around any available obstacles it doesn't matter what you are using.


We don't have quite as much potential for snaggy stuff in Utah Lake as you do in the Bear River. But the bigger cats all seem well versed in scooting across the bottom and finding any hump, bump or rock pile around which they can catch your line. There are a few spots around the lake with rock ledges or accumulations of rough volcanic residue that will cut through anything but stainless wire. And I'm sure that in their early schooling years our kitties were all given the GPS numbers for them and instructions on how to use them.


What do I use? Mostly 14# Nanofil main line. I tie it to a strong swivel with a 6 wrap improved clinch knot...after running the line twice through the end of the swivel. Never had a break at that point. Then I knot on a 3' length of Silver Thread Excalibur 25# cofilament. I use the same improved clinch knot setup on both the business end of the swivel and for attaching my hooks. Again...never a knot failure. And from my float tube I cannot break either the line or the leader in the event of a terminal snag. I have to position directly over the snag and cut the main line.


Over time we all develop our own personal preferences. And that is good. Fishing anything with confidence is always more productive than wishy-washy bait dunking...with little hope of either hooking or landing a fish. But the wrong time to discover you din't get it right is when you lose a monster fish...that you should have landed. We all lose fish, but it should never be for the wrong reasons...angler error.

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Re: [TubeDude] Guess this kitty's weight? In reply to
Amen Amen Amen

I believe there are a some biggins in the lake, I fish the lake 2 -3 times a week and the last few years I personally have found the bigger fish arent as prevalent as years past, thats the top end of what I catch, 2007 has been a minute since a giant has shown up
Your correct on the ones you lose are always giants
Im well set up for anything this lake holds, no worries here.

I been taking inventory in multiple locations around the lake so will see what the scales holds for future

The size means nothing if it challenges your skills. On to the NEXTBITE
pike
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Re: [SBennett] Guess this kitty's weight? In reply to
That's a hog! I'm guessing 10-11#.
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Re: [TubeDude] Guess this kitty's weight? In reply to
TubeDude wrote:


We don't have quite as much potential for snaggy stuff in Utah Lake as you do in the Bear River.


One exception is Bird Island these days. With the high water there are plenty of large rocks just a few inches under the surface.


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(This post was edited by kentofnsl on Jun 3, 2019, 4:04 PM)
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Re: [kentofnsl] Guess this kitty's weight? In reply to
Yeah, but I don't take my tube to Bird Island. And you can catch snags where there ain't any.

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TubeDude wrote:




And you can catch snags where there ain't any.

I have some interesting skills, but I don't think that is one of them.


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