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Re: [kandersonSLC] Transom savers In reply to
That is exactly why.
I run a Motor Saver rod on my XS 175 and it handles it perfectly.
Try this test as proof,assuming your motor will have hydraulics?
Put your motor in any position and see if you can move it even an 1/8". I bet you can't.
Now imagine the shock of the road traveling through your trailer, and remember your trailer does not have shock absorbers, and the abuse your motor is taking to its hydraulics through the transom saver.
" It's all fun and games until someone loses an 'eye'".
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Re: [kentofnsl] Transom savers In reply to
I am more than happy to agree to disagree.
Just please do yourself two favors.
First, never let the rubber pads wear out or you will have new drain holes in your LU from the protruding bolts.
Second, depending on your method of attachment of your saver to your trailer frame, pray every trip it does not become unattached from the frame and digs in to the highway. It will catapult your LU up in a violent manner.
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I just had a lengthy conversation with Lee Leavitt, owner of Lee's Marine in Hyrum. I and many others of us consider him the local premier source of knowledge on almost anything to do with boats and outboards.

His advice is to use a transom saver, on heavy outboards, for the following reasons:
1) If your hydraulics fail the transom saver will keep your outboard from letting the outboard hit the pavement.
2) Transoms are not designed to handle the vertical up and down movement that is put on it by a bouncing outboard. It can cause damage to the weakest point of attachment of the outboard, which is near the bottom of the transom.
3) The stress that is put on the hydraulics is far greater when one runs the outboard, in the water (both forward and reverse), than would ever occur while driving down the road.
4) The hydraulics are designed to give a little when the outboard hits something solid, which also saves damage to the hydraulics and the outboard and transom.
5) If you have an outboard with carburetors, you have to tilt the outboard much higher if just using tilt locks, instead of using transom savers and your carburetors can spill causing a mess.

He has seen a few transom savers damaged when they came loose, while driving down the road, but never seen any damage to anything else.

He said to notice how much your outboard bounces when you are going through waves, or similar rough water, and this is far greater stress on the hydraulics than it would ever experience on a trailer.


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(This post was edited by kentofnsl on Jun 7, 2019, 7:24 AM)
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Re: [fishgiver] Transom savers In reply to
fishgiver wrote:
I have a 16' Lund w/40 Merc. Considering a transom saver but would like to hear from you all.
Thanks,
So, have you decided yet?


This thread isn't going anywhere fast. There are several of us that don't use them, don't need them, and don't think they are needed on our boats. Others want them , need, them, and think they are needed on their boats. Nothing said here is going to change anybody's mind.


I hope you (fishgiver) have gathered enough information to make an intelligent choice. And the very BEST thing you could do is to call LUND, tell them what you have, and ask their advice. It will be a much better informed answer than you will ever get here. Good luck and tight lines.

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Re: [dubob] Transom savers In reply to
Thanks for all of your advice and input everyone. I have gone with the traditional TS as it seems to allieve my conserns makes me feel better.
Again, thanks to all for your advise.
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Re: [fishgiver] Transom savers In reply to
That is a fantastic fishing boat, congratulations!
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Re: [fishgiver] Transom savers In reply to
As a new boat owner, this thread has been very informative. Thanks to all who did a great job explaining their points of view.

I'm a little surprised someone hasn't come up with a hybrid TS that uses a shock absorber attached to the trailer.
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Re: [kandersonSLC] Transom savers In reply to
Mine has a spring in it on my main motor, so its not solid from the frame to the LU, it seem to be which ever give you the warm fuzzy feeling is best,
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Re: [kandersonSLC] Transom savers In reply to
kandersonSLC wrote:
I'm a little surprised someone hasn't come up with a hybrid TS that uses a shock asorber attached to the trailer.


They have ... but if one of the things you are trying to accomplish is to minimize the flexing on the transom, a TS with a shock absorber defeats the purpose because it allows that unwanted flexing. Think about it ... if the motor is attached to the transom saver and the transom saver and boat are securely attached to the trailer, then the trailer suspension IS the shock asbsorbsion.




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(This post was edited by Old_Coot on Jun 7, 2019, 9:10 AM)
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Re: [fishgiver] Transom savers In reply to
I used to test jet engines for a living. This makes me want to rig my boat and trailer with strain gauges, pressure transducers, thermocouples, high-speed cameras, etc. to see what is really going on when we haul our boats down the road. Wink
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Re: [kandersonSLC] Transom savers In reply to
kandersonSLC wrote:
I used to test jet engines for a living. This makes me want to rig my boat and trailer with strain gauges, pressure transducers, thermocouples, high-speed cameras, etc. to see what is really going on when we haul our boats down the road. Wink

Or even better, just follow behind me without my transom savers connected and then follow behind me WITH them connected. I think you'd be a believer in transom savers pretty quick. Cool




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Re: [Old_Coot] Transom savers In reply to
Old_Coot wrote:
Or even better, just follow behind me without my transom savers connected and then follow behind me WITH them connected. I think you'd be a believer in transom savers pretty quick. Cool
Nahhhhh - I wouldn't!!!!! Wink Wink Wink

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“Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don’t mind.” - Dr. Seuss
(This post was edited by dubob on Jun 7, 2019, 2:39 PM)
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Re: [Old_Coot] Transom savers In reply to
I just thought of something...
Just curious, usually when a transom saver is used the motor's center of gravity is almost at the 'over-center' position. Maybe yours is not?
With your motor in the 'transom saver' position, and let's say your hydraulics failed and your motor 'free-floated', how much weight would you guesstimate the saver would actually be supporting?
I know it appears to be a lot but the power head weighs much more than the lower unit.
One guy can lift/position/attach a lower unit on his own.
A engine hoist is required for all but the tiniest power heads to be lifted.
Mine would not be much.
Maybe yours is a lot more?
I think knowing how much weight the TS is actually holding could help a guy make the correct decion?
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Re: [SBennett] Transom savers In reply to
My last two bigger boats that I had before the one I currently have did not have hydraulics. I had each boat about 5 years each and always used a TS, with no issues. IMO the weight was plenty heavy enough to keep the motor's lower unit from coming off the TS and I was going down some pretty rough roads, like the one going to Porcupine.


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Re: [SBennett] Transom savers In reply to
For my purposes, the transom saver isn't supporting weight so much as it is keeping the lower unit from going up and down (flex on the transom and up/down flopping).

For a motor with hydraulics (like a main motor): Because the hydraulics has the motor "locked" in position, any bumpy road up and down flexing would be transferred to the trailer via the TS. The TS prevents the lower unit from moving up/down … i.e. prevents flexing of the transom (assuming the boat and trailer are properly secured to each other). As for how much weight you ask? I have no clue. For me, it's not a matter of weight … rather a matter of flex pressure at the motor's mounting and the transom.

For a motor without hydraulics (like a kicker): The kicker on my boat isn't really "locked" in position unless it is in the fully lowered trolling position. So going down the road sitting in the up position, it is pretty up and down floppy-woppy. So for the kicker, the transom saver has two purposes; (1) keeping the lower unit from flopping up and down and (2) relieving the minor transom flex pressure when bouncing. Once again, I don't have any idea of how much weight is involved.

When the motors are in their up position (whether it be a small kicker or a large main motor), as you pointed out, their weight is basically balanced over the transom … not on the transom saver. The transom savers help to prevent transom flex and motor bounce. It's really not much of a weight issue.




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It's much more important than that."

(This post was edited by Old_Coot on Jun 9, 2019, 11:48 AM)
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I'm now going to just yank the Hell out of all y'all's chains.


If your boats transom can't stand a little flex while going down the road and you NEED a TS to save it, then maybe, just maybe, y'all need a better quality boat. My 16ft Tracker Targa didn't have one and showed absolutely NO signs of flex damage to the transom after 11 years of being retired and fishing an average of 3 to 4 times a week during soft water season. And my current ThunderJet for sure don't need one and ThunderJet didn't provide or recommend one and is maxed out on HP and weight with a 4-stroke 150 on it. So yeah, the next time you upgrade boats, go with quality.


Did I yank your chain hard enough? All in good fun boys. No need to get mad or get even. Tight lines to all y'all. Cool Cool Cool


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I'm 77 years young and going as hard as I can for as long as I can.
“Free men don't ask permission to bear arms.” - Glen Aldrich
“Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don’t mind.” - Dr. Seuss
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To quote a very respected poster on this forum:

"There are several of us that don't use them, don't need them, and don't think they are needed on our boats. Others want them, need them, and think they are needed on their boats."

Well said and very true ...
(This post was edited by Old_Coot on Jun 9, 2019, 6:58 PM)
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Re: [Old_Coot] Transom savers In reply to
Old_Coot wrote:
To quote a very respected poster on this forum:

"There are several of us that don't use them, don't need them, and don't think they are needed on our boats. Others want them, need them, and think they are needed on their boats."

Well said and very true ...

If this discussion is finished what do you all think about the wisdom of tiger Musky planting over poisoning ScofieldWink
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Re: [MSM1970] Transom savers In reply to
MSM1970 wrote:
Mine has a spring in it on my main motor, so its not solid from the frame to the LU, it seem to be which ever give you the warm fuzzy feeling is best,

THIS!!!! I have a spring loaded transom saver on my 225 Pro XS and I will never go without one.


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