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Re: [SkunkedAgain] Boat Thoughts In reply to
I rented an old aluminum boat on Base several years ago (like 16 years) before I bought my first boat. The base was in the process of replacing all their old Lunds. Of course as rentals, they had not been taken as good of care as one might that owned the boat. Anyway, we went to Utah Lake on a Memorial Day Weekend, 16 ft. boat, 25 hp Mercury 4 stroke, no electronics at all so was never sure where the bottom was or where the fish were. But the 5 of us were having a great time (catching mostly Mud Cats) and about 3 hours into the time on the water, I noticed that one of our small bait buckets was floating in the bottom of the hull.
That un-nerved me a bit but realized if there was a big enough leak to cause us problems, we would have already been up to our hips in lake water. We bailed it out best we could, and pressed on fishing. At the ramp when we pulled out, I pulled the stern plug and I would guess a good 20 or 30 gals of water came out.

I mentioned that to the guys at the MWR rental on Tuesday when I returned the boat. Their response was "Oh yeah, just about any riveted boat will leak some as it gets older, but these Lunds would still float enough to get you back off the water as long as you bailed out the water once in awhile. "
Then I figured, hey I've worked on aircraft that are a bunch bigger and heavier and under way more stress than any small fishing boat, and the planes are riveted. I've seen B52's come back with lots and lots of popped rivet heads on the forward fuselage after just one flight.
So I bought a 17' Lund from Peterson Marine in 2004. Sold it in 2006 cuz the waters were all getting too shallow to put it in. Then in 2007 just couldn't stand not having a boat, so went back to Peterson Marine and bought the 14' Lund I have now. It may leak just a little now, but I bought the model with a deck and a bilge pump. I hit that pump switch once or twice during a full day on the water and it blows any water out that was deep enough to get to the pump (about 2 inches in the transom hull area.)

Riveted or welded, an aluminum boat is lighter than say a Bayliner of same length and width. Easier to tow, uses less gas. An aluminum hull can be repaired and dents removed pretty much the same way as a car. For the amount of $$ they cost, the top of the line Thunder Jets, Hewes Crafts, River Hawks, are worth every dime, if you got that many dimes Laugh

IMHO, the next rung of the aluminum ladder is G3 boats by Yamaha. But they are used to sell that pricey motor. Yamaha marine motors are good, and quiet, but a bit too spendy for my wallet. After those I would rank the Crestliners, Fishers, King Fisher's, and Trackers...........all welded hull. And I think equal in reliability and strength would be the Lund family, difference being they are riveted.

There is one make of non-aluminum boat that I would closely consider if I had the money...........Triumph Boats..........no not the motorcycle. Do a web search on Triumph Boats. Pretty popular back east and down south. Built in North Carolina, I think. Don't know if there are any dealers out here handling them.

No matter what you get, if you get a new to you boat remember these adages, they came about because they all hold some bit of truth or accuracy.

1) A boat is just a hole in the water you throw money into........
2) BOAT stands for Break Out Another Thousand............
3) Whats the first thing most guys do after they buy a new boat.............?
They take it home and start drilling holes in it.....Laugh
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Jeff, I understand your feeling deeply. I'm thinking that some 2strokes will be if not already under scrutiny with EPA laws especially the older models. I'm very satisfied with the 4stroke, I'm sure others would agree about theirs. My thought would be for you to stay with the purchase of a 4stroke. Time is on your side to shop around, my best.



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Thanks Forest, ya know one thing Iím really worried about, we used to have an old beater camper that I bought for around $2000 and it was rough and the floor plan wasnít what we wanted or liked, but we took it everywhere and never worried about doing stuff with it. Used it all the time and loved camping. Then I got stupid and bought a newer 24.5í fifth wheel that was exactly the floor plan we loved, really nice and all but it cost more than the truck and weíve used it maybe six times since. Iím afraid to take it to the tight rough spots I used to go to so we camp in crowds of people and itís just not fun anymore. Probably had this new one longer than the other one by now and even though itís really nice, I think we had more fun in the beater. So long story but Iím afraid I might do the same thing if I replace my trihull itís been great it does almost everything I could want so Iím hoping if I change I donít regret it down the road. Iíd love the more stability and enclosed cabin and all at certain times but if I canít fish for cats or smallies then maybe Iím doing the same thing. Just need to see how I can make it more safe on big water. Later J
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I have a four stroke Yamaha trolling motor 9.9 hp and I love it, it is so fuel efficient and quiet compared to my 2 stroke, not to mention more reliable. So I think I agree completely and youíre probably right if the election goes the other way we may see our 2 strokes prohibited. Iíll keep shopping. Thanks J
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I toy with that same idea of upgrading all the time. But I remind myself of the sayings - don't leave fish to find fish. And, The fish don't care how much you paid.

I have an older beater boat that is perfect for getting me on fish but not looking like a chick magnet. I've had it for 25-30 years (cant remember exactly how long) and caught countless fish on it in almost every body of water in Utah. Maybe she won't handle a force 4 gale, but I ain't fishing in water that should be sailed with 80 feet of water line. She ain't pretty by any metric but she's mine and paid for many times over.

The grass always seems greener on the other side, but consider also that the predators could know that too.
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I think youíre right. Iím just getting close to being able to buy the Terrova Iíve been saving up for, for the last couple years and I donít want to do that if Iím going to be changing rides here soon. So I guess Iím checking those pastures on the other side, but may find Iím like my goats that stick their heads through the fence to eat dry weeds when theyíre in a lush green pasture. Ok my boat is not very lush, but like you said itís paid for. Thanks for the council. Later J
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You can do lots of different things to upgrade your old tri hull. Those upgrades can be done one or two at a time with little to no down time and be many times cheaper than a whole new boat, or even a new to you used boat.
I have seen many used boats for sale that were nice looking, had all the amenities I wanted, not too old, and at a seemingly fair price. But the nagging question I always default back to: Do I want to buy into someone else's possible problems that may not be part of the advertised information? Would hate to be out in the middle of some body of water when something critical decides to stop functioning. At least on my old "Tin-Can" I know what and where everything is.
If I was financially able to replace my boat, it would most likely be with a brand new one from a reputable dealer.
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That is the thing, I've done so many different mods to my current boat, that it's worth way more to me than I could ever sell it for. I'd never get out of it, what I have into it... and like you say it's probably much cheaper to make changes to the current one, rather than buy a different one and have to start over making it what I like to have. I guess I'm weird, but I can't stand the low seats most boats have, so I had to put pedestal raised seats in my boat, and lots of little things I've done that have made that machine the way I like it, just wish I could add a wider beam and higher sides for taking the waves, but I guess I really don't like to fish on windy days anyway.. Later Jeff
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Im on my 2nd lund and theyare great would highly recommend
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I don't know about Utah lake or hewes craft, but we have a weldcraft maverick deep v 240 and hasn't given us any trouble in late fall. We love the boat. I would assume hewes craft would be similar.
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I really like what I've seen in the Lund's myself, they are nice boats... just wish I was a little more financially well off so I could afford one of those nicer machines... Jeff
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Thanks, my friend has a similar boat to you and it's a wonderful boat, got to admit I've very jealous.. thanks for the input... Jeff
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I second that....Wink I'm on my second Lund also. Very reliable and sturdy. Only problem is the local dealer close to me has closed down. Petersen Marine in Ogden is not there now.
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Personally, I won't buy any kind of aluminum boat. They just aren't as smooth or nice as fiberglass boats on big waters (really the only place I use a motor boat). So, for my next purchase, I am hoping to get a Chaparral. These are the boats I am looking at:
http://www.chaparralboats.com/...ction=tab_highlights

Definitely not as nice a fishing boat as a Ranger, but it would suit my purposes great.
The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls.
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Sounds like I need to do some ride alongside to compare them. Thanks for your thoughts. Jeff
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They take it home and start drilling holes in it Laugh.

That made me laugh because it is so true. And about that BOAT acronym: I bought a boat that I thought had everything I needed or wanted on it, but I was wrong. Guess how much it would cost to do/add the other things. Does 1k ring a bell?

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Jeff, the most important things to worry about when fishing Bear Lake or really ANY big water is three things in my opinion....

#1- skills and knowhow for the type of water you fish.
#2- a reliable engine (and hopefully a kicker motor).
#3- decent freeboard on the boat.

I go out on a lot of boats in distress here at Bear Lake and numbers 1 and 2 are the biggest contributors to people having a bad day. The boat length and beam have been irrelevant so far in my experience (and I go out on a lot of rescues).
I've seen you boating up here during various spawns and have watched how you handle your boat and I can safely say that you have the system down pretty good. You know your limits and that is the most important thing. Your understanding of when it is safe and when it is not is spot on. You seem to keep close to shore and close to put in/take out points and THAT is what matters.

Bear Lake can be unforgiving, but it is also pretty easy to boat on it safely. I hear all the time from guys that "if I just had a bigger boat" or "with a boat like that I could be out in any weather".....nothing could be further from the truth when it comes to fishing this lake.

While it is true that certain boats handle the waves and wind better, we need to remember that FISHING is meant to be a pleasant past time and when it's windy and the waves are rolling in here, that there is NO BOAT MADE that is going to lessen the effect of the waves on our fishing. Dryer and somewhat safer...yes, but trust me, when the waves are up and Bear Lake is angry it sucks in every sized boat and every configuration I've fished out of so far. The biggest advantage of certain sized and configured boats such as our fire boat or the state park boats is that when we are miles out into the lake then we can somewhat safely get back to port during a squall, but no matter the boat, I would never be that far from shore when fishing....the best fishing is just a mile or less from any launch on the lake and usually within a half mile. The bigger boats generally have an advantage to be able to launch at the marina and go anywhere from there instead of towing to a closer ramp, but that is about it and when it's rough it totally sucks to have to run back to the marina from Cisco beach! Much better to launch at Cisco.

I think you've seen me fishing in a 16' smokercraft aluminum boat during the whitefish spawn and I feel completely comfortable in it on Bear Lake, but rarely would I venture more than a two or three minute ride from the shore in it on this lake and if it is too rough for the 16' aluminum boat then it's also too rough for the 28' Boston Whaler that we also fish out of because it is just not fun anymore when conditions are like that.

I guess the bottom line with my long winded post is if you aren't in a position to buy a new to you boat right now so that you can enjoy more time on big blue, then don't sweat it because the boat you have will work just fine here until you are ready and able to get your dream boat and in the mean time, you have about the perfect rig for your home water!

Looking forward to seeing you over here enjoying some fishing and right now it has been pretty good!

Mike
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Re: [gmwahl] Boat Thoughts In reply to
EXCELLENT post Mike. And oh so true. I fished my last boat (Tracker Targa DeepV16) for 11 years in all kinds of weather, good and bad. I ALWAYS watched the weather conditions and got the heck off the water at the first hint of less than ideal conditions. My new boat is a 20.5 ft ThunderJet and it is way more sea worthy than my last boat.


However, comma, I still ALWAYS watch the weather conditions and get the heck off the water at the first hint of less than ideal conditions. When the wave caps turn white, I stop fishing and head for the marina. To do otherwise is both foolish and very possibly dangerous depending on your boat AND your boating skills.


Kent, (Should have said Jeff - my bad) I do have a bigger and better boat than before with better electronics and equipment. But I can't say positively that it has made me a better fisherman overall or that I catch more fish. But I do have more room and I'm more comfortable in the new ride. So I would say you don't need to be in any hurry to upgrade, but when the time and money are aligned perfectly - GO FOR IT WITH GUSTO!
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SkunkedAgain wrote:
... wonder why he didn't mark it sold...

That happened to me when I was looking to buy a car. The seller is not selling a very good deal and when I presented the money to buy he said it was already sold yet kept the advertisement going and continued to take calls on it.

How is that a scam? He wasn't really selling a car. He was selling lists of contact information of people in the market to buy a car and didn't care how much time he wasted of hopeful car buyers with some even going to their banks to get loan approvals only to find it "sold" before they could buy it yet continuing to be advertised.

Ronald :)



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I agree with gmwahl, as a former Calif resident I use to set crab pots about 3-4mi out launching out of Bodega Bay on the Pacific Blue. Between ground swells & wind will give an eye opening moment and my boat was a 19' Glaspar with I/O. These are truly learning experiences on how to handle such situations and doesn't make it any less dangerous. I've seen the Coast Guard on many rescue missions where some folks were lucky to be alive and others were statistics. Most of whom swamped their small boats getting caught in ground swell breakers, small 12' aluminum boats don't belong in this situation. I treat all bodies of water large & small the same. Each has its own unique "stormy waters", dangers persist anywhere at anytime. Bear Lake has a way to show you rolling swells with or without the wind. My luck has it I always get caught across the lake at Cisco area launching from Garden City having to maneuver my way back across. Its up to us how we can take a dangerous situation maintain thought to make it safe. I also know of an individual who has a low profile bass boat. He was trying to get his boat trailered when it got swamped from windy breakers coming in the rear of the boat. He had a fight on his hands but managed to get it trailered. Having a larger boat has its advantage.



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Hey Mike I know you have seen the results of what youíre talking about more than probably anyone else on the forum. Itís dang serious stuff when the wind gets blowing on a big body of water. I learned about wind and waves in a 14í aluminum boat with a 20 hp merc and it was the best teaching machine ever, it was quick and nimble so you could keep the nose into the wind easy. My current boat is not so easy and responsive I sometimes wish it was, but I do like the extra freeboard it has and I need it at times when other boats through you a rogue wave at the backend of the boat. I think Iím losing confidence in my motor and thatís probably the reason why Iím looking a little. Maybe I should be looking for a motor instead of a boat. There would be a lot less changes needed that way.

Nice to hear the lake is picking up. I was up in Island Park for a couple days and we had a blast on Henryís. We got 15 fish from 18-22Ē and I lost the big one again. I had a really big one on and didnít have the drag loose enough and it snapped my line. Getting too used to horsing cats and these high octane trout donít give you time to catch up to them they just leave fast. Those fish are so pretty out of Henryís I just love the fall fishing up there. Had fun on Island Park with the bows too, but they are 14-18Ē and seem a lot smaller than the Henry fish. But it was fun too.

Anyway I really appreciate your comments Mike and I do agree with you the fishing in waves isnít much fun so why take the risk. Thinking now I donít think I want a bigger and harder boat to handle for loading at Cisco in the waves, maybe Iíll work on a better motor. Thanks Jeff
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Guess someone may always have an angle or just forget like I sometimes do. It did get deleted shortly after our comments and itís probably a good thing I didnít buy it, I think Mike and everyone has sort of helped me think deeper into what I actually need more than what I think I want. However I seen some really nice Lundís at the marina at Henryís and Iíve got to admit as I was getting soaked I was a little jealous of those nice cabins on those boats. (But we did catch more fish than they did). Anyway thanks. Later Jeff
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Hey Bob thereís no doubt your boat would have been a ton more comfortable on this last trip. Iím just glad I have nice rain gear. It was a soaker all day Friday and most of Saturday. Except for when it was snowing. Those Tetons looked like winter when the clouds raised on the way home today. Thanks for the thoughts. Jeff
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Hey Mike I was just rereading the boat post and I canít see my reply to your comment, donít know what happened to it, but in case it never got posted I wanted to thank you for your insight it is muchly appreciated. Iíve since been trying to figure out a more reliable motor or how to get mine back to a point where Iíd have confidence in it again. I took it into the shop a couple years ago and spent a lot of money and I donít think it runs any better so Iím hesitant to take it in to be worked on, but I know it needs something. Maybe a fuel pump or something so it doesnít cutout at high speeds. Then if it would fire up easier, seems like I have to crank like crazy to start it the first time each trip. After it will run fine but that first start is rough. Anyway I just wanted to say thanks. Jeff
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