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Re: [wiperhunter2] Mantua Court..... In reply to
Hey Curt good luck and thanks... J
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Re: [SkunkedAgain] Mantua Court..... In reply to
Jeff, I would suggest that everyone avoid parking on the dike until after the court decision on Curt is made. Although some of the signs may be gone, the way that the judge read the charges last night, a vehicle parked on the dike could still be ticketed if deemed that it might impede traffic. Unknown also is who removed the signs; angler or law officer. Better to be save than sorry. Many times the judge stated that fines can be as much as $1054, but most likely $75.
I suggest you stay off the dike.
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Jeff, I was up there recently.

There are actually several places I saw people parked, and all but one I know are OK.

The normal parking lots in the southeast and northeast corners are still open. Sometimes the road to the northeast lot is nasty and impassible. The ones with the restrooms (which are locked). Mad

In the south-WEST corner, they pushed some dirt around, and made a small parking area pretty near the beach. That provides decent access.

I saw several cars parked in the south parking area below the dike, but I don't know personally if that was OK. I assume so, as it's a regular parking lot.

In spring/summer/fall, you already can't park along the south dike. But, in winter, for several years, they had been allowing it, because it gives good access for the most people. People have parked along that dike for years, and nobody got tickets last year, or the year before, or the year before.....

Then this year, BANG, without notice, without new signs, without addendum to the old signs, and without friendly reminders or warning "tickets", without the officer showing up and verbally communication, out of the blue EVERYBODY got a ticket for something that was OK for years.....

All you gotta do is not park on the dike, and not drive 26 mph in a 25 mph zone, and you can still fish Mantua just fine.

Let me know if you want to, and I'll join you.
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Re: [wiperhunter2] Mantua Court..... In reply to
Now that you mention it, that's correct as it was a parking citation and not a misdemeanor crime, like a DUI.
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Re: [wiperhunter2] Mantua Court..... In reply to
We’ve been talking with Brigham City to fix the signs. I would assume they removed them and not Mantua. You said they removed signed on the south dike? Did they remove all those no parking signs or just the ones with the single arrows?

How did court go? We’re you able to have dialog with the judge or just make your plea?
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Re: [wiperhunter2] Mantua Court..... In reply to
Man, I wouldn't try it.

I feel like they would remove the signs, stop ticketing people for the parking violation, and then start ticketing you for the obstructing traffic thing.
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Re: [BURLEY] Mantua Court..... In reply to
Yup, don't think I'll chance it either... Don't really need to hit Mantua this year, it's fun before the other ponds get going, but now the state park ponds are game on, I like to spread out on them where there is less worries of big brother having a problem with me wanting to go fishing... I like the yearly pass so I know I'm legal and don't have to worry about petty tickets for doing something that I don't know is wrong... It's always a concern going to the other places and not knowing if they charge in the winter or not... Thanks for the heads up, I appreciate it... Jeff
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I guess I did fail to mention the parking on the other side of the lake, but since I hardly ever fish that side, it wasn't part of my considerations..

I'd love to have ya join me, but I think I'll be hitting Hyrum instead on Friday since we have a family funeral on Saturday... if you are available and would like to join me let me know and I'll get lined up with you. Thinking of taking my FIL and using the snowmobile so I can get him onto the lake and back in without over doing it too much. But where I go is easy in walking distance if your health is still okay and if not I can come pick you up, I pull my smitty with a gear box to sit on so it's easy transportation without having to try and sit on a snowmobile... Anyway let me know... Later Jeff
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Mantua is a very cruel joke being played on anybody that wants to go there. The perch and bluegills are dinks and not worthy of the time to try to find them. Trout can be caught in just about any reservoir in the state. So why would I want to waste my time going there?


Easy answer - I wouldn't and I won't. Just over the hill from there is Hyrum and it is on fire for perch right now. A never been ice fishing in my life before today friend from Logan met me there at 9:15 AM today. We were fishing about 10 AM and quit at 1 PM. We iced over 100 perch and 80% of them were over 7". We both kept 10 apiece with all those being over 8".


I will not be fishing Mantua again as long as they have those mental midgets running the place.


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these are wise words from bob. mantua is a joke ! they have been praying on visitors for years and know how to get away with it . best is to let that place dry up.
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I used to fish the bluegill spawn in the Spring, dutifully paying my $5 to launch my kayak.

Swimmer's itch, snails, weeds top to bottom, and now $100 parking tickets. Nah, I think I'll pass from now on.



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Re: [BURLEY] Mantua Court..... In reply to
I hopefully got some good news tonight from the KSL team, they told me that the city of Mantua contacted them and said they were going to dismiss all charges for those that received parking tickets between Dec 24th and Jan 1. I hope that is true but I'm going to wait until I hear from Mantua before I feel better about this mess, fingers crossed.


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We’ve been talking with Brigham City to fix the signs. I would assume they removed them and not Mantua. You said they removed signed on the south dike? Did they remove all those no parking signs or just the ones with the single arrows?

How did court go? We’re you able to have dialog with the judge or just make your plea?
They removed the signs with the double arrows, all along the south dike, except between the signs where that intersection comes in, where the arrows point to each other.
Yes, the judge talked it each of us and it was because the second guy that was there for the parking ticket last night, said he pleaded guilty. After he signed the paper, the judge ask if he wanted to make a statement about it and he had pics of the confusing signs. The guy said the signs were confusing and the courthouse erupted with loud talk about the signs being unfair and agreeing with the guy pleading guilty. The judge listened to us and told the guy, he should plead not guilty and fight it, so the guy changed his plead. Right then, I figured the judge was listening to us, so I plead Not Guilty too. With the news I posted above, I really hope this is over, I guess we will have to wait and see.


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Re: [wiperhunter2] Mantua Court..... In reply to
That is great news. I believe that last night when the group discussion happened, it became apparent to the judge that the signs were completely confusing and that may have had a lot to do with your news. The judge seemed very open to hearing our comments. He was open minded and fair to all the plaintiffs that appeared before him. I'm glad that I was there to add my voice.

It was amazing that there were 4 speeders between 77 to 84 mph and three of them didn't have registration or insurance. If I didn't have Ins. or registration, I would sure as heck obey the speed limit instead of drawing attention to myself doing over 15 mph over the speed limit.

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Re: [dubob] Mantua Court..... In reply to
Hey Bob I agree this year that Hyrum is more fun, but it’s not always that way so I’ll keep my options open. Think I’ll try it (Hyrum) again Friday and see if I can find a few bigger ones. Sounds like the size is really starting to decrease. We got a lot over 10 at first and my last trip was 9’s plus so if 8’s are the big ones now it’s time to throw them all back till they grow up. I really don’t get enough off fish smaller than 9 to be worth filleting. Sure has been fun this year though. Good luck. Later Jeff
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Since I REALLY like perch to eat (#1 pick for edible fish for me), I'll keep any over 7". And I'm REALLY liking the new BUBBA Cordless fillet set I just bought with 4 different blades. Takes less than 1 minute to completely fillet one fish. Cool


As to Hyrum perch, it's been a long time since I've seen the quantity and quality of perch coming out of there this year. I'm only keeping what my bride and I can eat in one sitting - 10. But many folks are going for the limit of 50. Hyrum may end up just like Rockport did after Doug Miller publicized it and started his perch party up there. It turned into a perch desert.


But perch tend to be a boom or bust species in Utah because of our weather patterns (drought vs non-drought years) and fishing pressure on our small lake resources. I'll continue to enjoy the Hyrum boom this year, such as it is, and hope for the best for next year.


I can be there on Friday about 9:15 AM if you'd like to hook up Jeff. Might be a little snowy based on the forecast last night. Call or text me.




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Re: [dubob] Mantua Court..... In reply to
Sounds good Bob, I haven't gotten everything lined up yet, but it looks good for Hyrum tomorrow... I'll try to be there about sun up so I can get set up before the fish get after it... But I am taking my FIL, so might be a little slower getting going... I'll give you a call tonight... Thanks Jeff
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Re: [BURLEY] Mantua Court..... In reply to
Do you really think the Judge was being open minded? Most likely this fraudulent ticketing scheme being covered by KSL caused the sudden open mindedness. They know they're at increasing risk of the State Legislature following through on outlawing their corrupt scams.
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You never know for sure but just by his reaction to seeing the pics that the one guy shared with him, I really don't think he was aware of what was going on. IMO, it was more than likely the people that run the city of mantua that were the ones running this scam. Once so many of us decided to fight it, it could be that between us and the KSL team asking so many question, that they decide they needed to do something. There is more that I know that I haven't posted here but I was ask to keep quiet about it, when KSL Investigates does their segment on this investigation, more will be revealed.


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Re: [BURLEY] Mantua Court..... In reply to
I agree with you Hue, it seemed pretty obvious that was the case when he actually listened to what we were saying, then made sure the guy that had just pleaded guilty, changed his plea, if he wanted to, which he did.
I'm not sure if there were more of the people after me that were there for the same parking ticket but that place was packed with people.
I'm sure you noticed that all of the people that received speeding tickets were young people, likely just not aware that Barney 3 was waiting for them at the bottom of that hill. It's a perfect speed trap, even if you are not pushing on the gas pedal, the momentum of going down the hill will take you beyond the speed limit. Anyone that travels that main highway on a regular bases is aware of it and uses their breaks to slow down but young people just are not aware of it, so they get more tickets.


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Springbuck wrote:
Man, I wouldn't try it.

I feel like they would remove the signs, stop ticketing people for the parking violation, and then start ticketing you for the obstructing traffic thing.
You could be right, I for one will not take the chance again, at least this yearWink.


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Re: [wiperhunter2] Mantua Court..... In reply to
We followed up with Brigham City and they added and removed some signs. Plus drove up there to validate. There is a new sign with one directional arrow pointing back towards the boat dock by the parking lot they created on the south dike. Second they removed all the one arrow signs on the south dike by Reservoir Dr so now they have one sign with an arrow pointing east and one in the other end pointing west with double arrow signs in the middle. They used to have single arrow signs in between. Now have a true start and stop point.
They also stated that between that far west sign by the parking lot to the first no parking signs on the south side (Reservoir Dr) you can park. We requested to see the communication they are going to send to Mantua to stop ticketing between those signs (where I and others were originally parked). Plus have requested to talk to the Brigham city contacts again.
One more step to get this solved.
Btw. Is there a record fo the number of responses a thread gets? Haha

Sad thing is I haven’t been able to go fishing since my last post on Pineview. Need to make a plan for that. That’s Problem #1. Lol
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Re: [wiperhunter2] Mantua Court..... In reply to
Wiperhunter2, did Mantua court get back to you yet about dismissing the tickets? KSL is going to report on our story tonight at 10pm. Should be interesting to watch. I wonder just how many people got tickets on that dike.
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Re: [BURLEY] Mantua Court..... In reply to
Nothing from the Mantua court yet but I did get an Email from the KSL team. They have been checking the status of my ticket all week and found out today it has been officially dismissed. They said I should get an official notice from the Mantua court within a week.
Last night I saw an advertisement about the story they are doing about this ticket issue. The ad looked pretty good, hope the rest of it turned out as well. No idea how many people got ticket but the day I was there, at least 20 people got tickets, if you multiply that by 9 days, the time that they say they are dismissing all parking ticket, that would be 180 ticket. That of course is just a questamation.


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Re: [wiperhunter2] Mantua Court..... In reply to
I just saw your lovely mug on KSL news at 5. It appears that the story will represent us really well. Complete story will be on KSL at 10 tonight.
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