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     Re: [catfish-logic] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
CoolRabble rouser.

Why would you want to waste perfectly good June suckers on an illegal planting campaign?

Eat 'em, or use 'em as bait.

Okay everybody...we're just joking here...before somebody has a coronary. And we wouldn't put our fingers in their gills either.

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     Re: [TubeDude] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
It seems to me that the DWR has become quite adept at using biological solutions to deal with chub problems. Be it Bear lake cutts, tiger trout, smallies, or other modes, they have had success in dealing with chubs by a number of means in different types of lakes. I am confident the biologists will be able to formulate a plan that COULD work. (Also, the thought of a slot on the tigers causes me to lick my chops as an angler. The tigers in Scofield are doing incredibly well and a 20+ fish day of 20+ inch tigers would be beyond excellent)

The problem that the DWR faces however, is political. All of the above plans require protection of the predatory fish, and thus special regulations of one sort or another. When these are proposed, a segment of anglers, as well as local businesses and county politicians, start complaining that their ability to harvest fish and fish "like they always have" is reduced and they attempt to fight the regs that biologically make the best sense. Look at Strawberry. Fishing there is good beyond belief at most times, however, we still hear bi%*&@ and moaning about the regs from those that think it is a mortal sin to release any fish and feel the need to harvest a ton of fish. Scofield was designated as a place that could "take" more harvesting (8 fish limit) and now if special regs are proposed, you can bet that there will be a lot of griping and worse from these people. I hope that the DWR has the cajones to stand by their guns and do what is right biologically in spite of political pressure.





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     Re: [doggonefishin] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
Yea but people need to start understanding that if they want to catch quality fish like the old days they have to give a little, if that means a slot than so be it. At some point things have to change and I would rather see a reg change than a total kill off of the lake.



"Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day."...Anonymous

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     Re: [TubeDude] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
Just curious, do you know how big the smallmouth population is in Grantsville? Also how easy is it for BB's to plant different species in lakes? I would think that quite a few fish would be needed to actually take hold or could just a couple mature breeding pairs do the trick? (No, I don't want to try) At the June 3 RAC meeting the DWR said they were trying to get more penalties put into to place for illegal stocking and rewards for info. I guess they said that some lake up northeast (forgot the name?) was found to have walleye in it. The DWR guy also said that they weren't sure the tiger trout could control the chubs like the cutts?

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     Re: [Fish-or-die] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
IT is Red Fleet that they were talking about with regards to the walleye.



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     Re: [TubeDude] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
"lighten up", hmmm, seems debating isn't looked on all that favorably.

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     Re: [ifishutah] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
Debate all you want. Just don't make it personal, or take it personally.

The powers that be have made the decision to use smallmouth bass in other waters to control chubs. But they have not decided to use them in Scofield. They've had the option to put them in, but haven't. Maybe they will, but I doubt it. Scofield doesn't have a great deal of smallie habitat. It doesn't warm up enough to give smallies a good growing season. Their metabolism would be so low that they wouldn't need to eat much for most of the year, so why depend on them to eat chubs when they simply wouldn't be hungry?


Fishrmn

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(This post was edited by Fishrmn on Jun 9, 2008, 11:09 AM)

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     Re: [ifishutah] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
ifishutah wrote:
Hopefully Fishermn isn't calling me a bucket biologist. If so, i'll have to address that later.

See the sentiment that you guys are expressing doesn't seem to be too open minded. We have a problem at Scofield, so why not solve it with smallies. Contrary to what Fishermn and Tubedude are saying, that strategy DOES work and is working now in Otter Creek, Piute and Minersville.

As far as crawdads are concerned, there are at least as many craws in Otter Creek as their are in Scofield and again it's been successful so far.

There's going to be issues no matter what solution is chosen, I'd prefer to see a biological means chosen over poisoning the fishery.
Looks what smallmouth have done in the Gorge. There are almost no chubs in there now and millions of tiny 8-10" small mouth. It has changed the ecology for sure but not in a good way. Chubs are not the evil that everyone makes them out to be. They balance well with trout you simply need to let them get big enough to eat the chubs. If they are always harvested before that time that is when things get unbalanced.
Let'em live so all may enjoy!

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     Re: [Fish-or-die] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
CoolI have no idea how large the smallmouth population is at Grantsville. Haven't heard any results from netting, etc.

Generally, to start a viable population, there does need to be several...spawning pairs...to get things going. But, not always. Sometimes the bucket bozos just keep dumping their catch from other waters until a few start showing up and everybody assumes they are spawning.

Bass are tough enough to survive a ride in a bucket of water, but I suspect that bass lovers give them "limousine" service in their live wells. Contrary to what they would like you to believe, not all bassaholics play by the rules. If they want bass, and DWR is too slow, then they help the process along.

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     Re: [tightline] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
Well said!

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     Re: [TubeDude] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
 
Bass are tough enough to survive a ride in a bucket of water, but I suspect that bass lovers give them "limousine" service in their live wells. Contrary to what they would like you to believe, not all bassaholics play by the rules. If they want bass, and DWR is too slow, then they help the process along.



one more good argument for outlawing live wells and airters or any other means that would help keep fish alive out of the water they are cought in.




Ron


artificial intelligence is no mach for my natural stupidity

He who laughs at himself never runs out of things to laugh at.

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     Re: [TubeDude] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
I hear that smoked sucker is quite good, just tell me which end to light !!!!!! ( was this in bad taste ???)

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     Re: [Therapist] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
Nah, just tastes bad.


Fishrmn

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion."
— Thomas Jefferson

"The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its limits."
— Albert Einstein

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     Re: [Therapist] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
CoolRabble rouser.

Just don't light the end with the filter.

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     Re: [TubeDude] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
Lets plant Lakers in there, they will take care of the chubs.



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     Re: [Majja] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
Majja wrote:
Lets plant Lakers in there, they will take care of the chubs.

Not sure if you are serious or not, but macks would not do well in Scofield. Scofield is a very shallow reservoir that gets very warm in the hot summer months when the water gets really low.


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     Re: [Majja] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
CoolMaybe the LA Lakers.

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     Re: [fuzzyfisher] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
Not sure who in the hell you guys really think you are. As far as i'm concerned the bass guys are the only ones that really give a damn about the fisheries. The limousine service reference is complete BLEEP. But hey it's your opinion.

It's my opinion that from reading this crap that you guys are are self righteous Nimrods. Good luck with all your preaching.
(This post was edited by TubeDude on Jun 10, 2008, 11:32 AM)

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     Re: [ifishutah] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
Why do people like you who have NO pull on this board get on here like you know what the hell is going on?? You need to get a life. Stay off our board.Wink




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     Re: [kentofnsl] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
I am just being a smart A$$.



"Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day."...Anonymous

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     Re: [ifishutah] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
ifishutah wrote:
Not sure who in the hell you guys really think you are. As far as i'm concerned the bass guys are the only ones that really give a damn about the fisheries. The limousine service reference is complete BLEEP. But hey it's your opinion.

It's my opinion that from reading this crap that you guys are are self righteous Nimrods. Good luck with all your preaching.

WOW ... I feel like I really need to go kill a bass and eat it right now! Cool

Lighten up man. Or take the advice for LH2 and go find another board to troll.



"Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day."...Anonymous

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     Re: [ifishutah] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
CoolHey Bucko, I fished competitive bass fishing before you were born...probably. I quit because of self righteous (People) like yourself. And, as far as most of the others involved in the discussion, I would bet that most of them could outfish you on any water for any species. No nimrods here.

Bass fanatics are not all sponsored elite with high dollar boats and G Loomis rods. There are lots of folks who like bass and will do whatever they can to have them available for fishing. I know bass guys that should know better who violate Utah regulations all the time. They rationalize that NOBODY really understands them...and that gives them the right to do whatever they want. Most of the club guys are serious law abiding anglers who do a lot to promote their favorite sport...legally...but just because you like bass does not give you the right to dump on everybody else.

By the way, you earned yourself a time out. No need to come back. We don't need your attitude.

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     Re: [ifishutah] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
I'm self righteous? lol yeah right!

all i'm saying is there is no reason to have a working livewell in a boat in utah any where.. so way make it that much easyer for fish to be transported by alowing them?




Ron


artificial intelligence is no mach for my natural stupidity

He who laughs at himself never runs out of things to laugh at.

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"(Also, the thought of a slot on the tigers causes me to lick my chops as an angler. The tigers in Scofield are doing incredibly well and a 20+ fish day of 20+ inch tigers would be beyond excellent)"

You know there is another Utah lake that the Tigers are doing incredibly well in. You know which one I'm talking about. A slot limit would make fishing there excellent as well. Especially with as much pressure as it gets now. It could go down hill pretty fast.

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     Re: [TubeDude] Scofield Chubs Problem In reply to
Throw some Hookjaw Browns in there and call it a day.
Those tigers get thier agressiveness from the "Brown"
side of them anyway. Put the papas in there and they'll take care of business. Wink

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