Fishing

I know there are smallmouth in Grantsville Reservoir. My question is, how big is the population? And, how are they for size?

Thanks in advance.

  Wouldn't we all like to know...there will never be an "official" survey as far as I see it. I've only caught one and it slipped out of my hands and back into the water. It wasn't very big but it had a fat belly.


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Yes there is smallies in the res. DWR wants them dead. Others might feel different, like me! I havent seen anything too big but give them a bit to get established and the size will be there. They have plenty of carp minnows to eat!
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Does anyone know why the DWR wants them out? Will it effect the "biological makeup" of the reservoir that bad? Or is it if they let this slid(without some kind of action) then soon everyone will be planting everything everywhere? Suppose the population does settle in, will they kill the lake to get rid of them? Just curious?

To the DWR if it's not a trout it's a trash fish...That is why when a lake with anything but trout gets in trouble they leave it that way for years before they do anything to help...

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Bassrods likes to fish for bass using Mojo lures and Weights, and Parasite Weights.
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that's pretty much it. I agree with it. Why on Earth should we or the DWR support people that transplant fish illegally?

The DWR should not waste time protecting fish that have been moved illegally. Plain and simple.



I couldn't help it. It just popped in there.
Dr. Raymond Stantz

Really??!! Oh, you mean like Gunlock! Because as soon as Gunlock's dam was rebuilt, the DWR begain the process of re-stocking bass.

Oh, and like Piute, Otter Creek and Minersville? Because as soon as those lakes had water in them (after that big nasty drought), the DWR immediately got smb's back in them.

Bassrods -- you cry wolf so often that we'll have to change that old cliche to "crying bass".

Utah has some fantastic bass waters. I guess those good places were just a matter of luck -- because we all know that the DWR doesn't do anything for bass...



I couldn't help it. It just popped in there.
Dr. Raymond Stantz

well the DWR's managment of carp infested water in the state of Utah CAN NOT BE CONSETERED A STELER RECORD!! let see to date they'er managmet program is? oh yeah that right just let them live and we will let the next generation deal with it? inless the FED's step in oh no not them guy's! you mean they are going to MAKE the DWR do there JOBS?? oh thats so un-fare!! how could they make the DWR get rid of the most destructive spices of fish in Utah?

i know your asking what does that have to do with smallmouth bass in Grantsville? well at lest someone was thinking to use the food sorce for something other than wast water!! gee to bad the DWR dont think that way sometimes! would save someone else from have to do there job for them!!




Ron


artificial intelligence is no mach for my natural stupidity

He who laughs at himself never runs out of things to laugh at.

You talk but you don't tell the hole story...

First of when the DWR takes bass out of one lake and puts them in another and lets people catch and kill them and call that stocking a lake, well I don't...I call it something else...

If a lake like Yuba, Jordanelle, Deer creek, and Starvation, Gunnson to name names well we all know how long it took for Yuba and Deer creek we are still waiting for the perch, Starvation and how long we had to waite for something to be done with the walleye, just to name a few Gunnson well we are still waiting...

So yes I think I hit it right, You tell me one lake that the DWR has planted bass perch or walleye in that came from a hatchery Not another lake, and they can come from another state even...

To take fish out of one lake to go in another just makes for bad fishing in two lakes, but now if trout are low or needed in a lake the DWR just backs up the truck load of trout FROM a hatchery and plants it...

Same old story....

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Bassrods likes to fish for bass using Mojo lures and Weights, and Parasite Weights.
Practice CPR...Catch, Photograph and Release.
Utah state C&R record 23.5"
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Here's the definition of stocking:
the activity of supplying a stock of something

Call it what you like. When the DWR moves fish into a lake, they are stocking the lake. The source of the fish doesn't matter.




Really???

Tell that to the guys fishing Sand Hollow. I don't think anyone would consider Sand Hollow bad fishing. Do you know how many LMB's were initially planted in Sand Hollow? It was in the neighborhood of 80! 80! That's it! It took 80 fish, and look where Sand Hollow is today!!

now, consider New Castle Reservoir. Where did the SMB stock come from? Flaming Gorge. Would anyone consider either lake to be poor bass fishing? Hell no! Further, look at what New Castle has provided: Piute Res, Minersville Res, and Otter Creek Res.


You're mad about something you should be proud of! You should be proud that bass don't need to come from hatchery brood stock source. You're getting natural genetic mixing using wild source fish!! How can you possibly complain about that?!


You named a bunch of places, and a bunch of different fish. You need to look at habitat. If the habitat isn't there, what makes you think that stocking fish from a hatchery is going to solve anything? Fix the problem! The problem isn't a hatchery....



I couldn't help it. It just popped in there.
Dr. Raymond Stantz

Like I said you don't tell the hole story....

Sand Hollow Yes first time bass, and you could not keep any for (I think two years) And lets see trout does not do very well in there or in Quail...

And moving fish from one lake to another??I call it BUCKET stocking.....

What would we have if ALL lakes were stocked like Sand Hollow (From One Lake To Another) what kind of fishery would we have, and that goes for trout as well????

What if the Berry was stocked in that way would it be (bad) (poor) (Good) (great) fishing????

And don't just quote part or half of what is said...Like I said tell the hole thing..

If the DWR took as good of care of ALL fishery as they do trout we would have the best fisherys in the country...

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Bassrods likes to fish for bass using Mojo lures and Weights, and Parasite Weights.
Practice CPR...Catch, Photograph and Release.
Utah state C&R record 23.5"
Tight lines....

So.... Are there a lot a catchable smallmouth bass in Grantsville Reservoir? Or not...

Cliff -- you're crazy.

Sand Hollow was closed to fishing for the first two years. What's your point? It was a brand new reservoir that had never had fish in it. How was that a bad thing? Anyone that fishes the reservoir will tell you that it's one of the best LMB fisheries ANYWHERE!

Trout do fantastic in Quail. It is deep enough and cool enough that they thrive. They do not, however, reproduce. They lack the HABITAT.

All lakes cannot be stocked like Sand Hollow was, or like others I have mentioned. Waters MUST be certified DISEASE FREE for 3 years prior to fish being moved. This is the whole reason that anglers should not be undertaking fish transplanting upon themselves!

As for trout -- transplanting happens all the time. Don't forget that the cutthroat trout in Strawberry ARE used to stock other lakes in the state. Eggs are harvested from spawning fish each year. Same thing with numerous other lakes in the state (dougherty, manning meadow). It's not just a "bass" thing.

I still don't buy what you're saying. If the DWR took as good of care of bass waters as they do trout waters? What are you saying about Jordanelle? Sand Hollow? Lake Powell? Quail Creek? Each are world class bass fisheries! How is the DWR neglecting those fisheries?

For those I didn't mention, would supplemental fish stocking make them world class fisheries, or is there some other problem that needs to be taken care of?


You seem to think the solution to everyhting is hatcheries and stocking. Broaden your thinking. Look outside that cardboard box of a head.



I couldn't help it. It just popped in there.
Dr. Raymond Stantz

Well Put PBH

The state does operate one hatchery for warm water fish and that is the Wahweap Warmwater Hatchery So the do know the meaning of bass and company!

Albinotrout
Fishing and trains...what else is there? BASEBALL.......

  No, I wouldn't make a trip to Grantsville just to fish for bass.

Cliff, let it go, the ditch is getting deep.


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I agree with Cliff that the DWR prefers their trout over Bass.

First, is tradition. Utah has been managed as a cold water fishery for most of our lives, I remember when i was a kid and the "Trash" fish started to appear in Pineview. I thought it was the end of the world after listening to all the grown ups complain about it.

Second, is is the priority of the fish and game to try to make people happy. The easiest way to make most people happy is to catch some fish when they go fishing. The easiest way to keep them happy is to dump a load of fish in the lake, and tell people to fill up their stringers.

Third, DWR trout hatcheries employee many of their own people. They have no desire to see those folks lose their jobs, or have their budgets cut because they don't need fish to dump into the lakes.

With that said, I agree with Cliff, Utah DWR does have a vested and financial interest in trout.

Sure, it would make a lot of sense to create a self sustaining eco-system in our lakes, using natural preadators like bass and walleye to control the chubs and carp, planting trout that are not sterile, (yes, they do plant sterile trout, if you wonder why refer back to the third reason), and letting the fish in our lakes reproduce and be managed by the anglers, using possession limits to manage fish numbers so we don't need to rely on hatchery fish. Yes, maybe we wouldn't be able to keep any fish on some lakes and other lakes may have a twenty fish limit one year and a two fish limit the next but it would provide a quality experience to all, and be a whole like cheaper than raising fish for a few years just to poison them all later.

Once again you don't say the hole story....

I say fish "you say eggs"...And as far as them closing the lake to taking the fish yes they did close Sand LIKE I said...

BUT they do not close any of the other lakes when they take fish out or put them in, so the fish can establish them self...

And only you would try to change things around by what is or is not in the water of each lake...

If all waters of the world was the same the DWR would still be one sided about what fish would be helped when the lakes go dry or get fished out....

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Bassrods likes to fish for bass using Mojo lures and Weights, and Parasite Weights.
Practice CPR...Catch, Photograph and Release.
Utah state C&R record 23.5"
Tight lines....

Yes there is a hatchery there...But can you tell me what kind of fish has been in it in the last 5 years????

And yes I know, I also know where the money came from to rebuild it back a few years ago...And why it was put back on line...

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Bassrods likes to fish for bass using Mojo lures and Weights, and Parasite Weights.
Practice CPR...Catch, Photograph and Release.
Utah state C&R record 23.5"
Tight lines....

sand Hollow was a brand new unestablished lake, the that was intended for bass from the drawing board. Why on earth would they stock bass from a hatchery when pulling fish from a nearby lake and giving them a chance to propagate would be so much cheaper? The other lakes you mentioned were established trout lakes that were illegally stocked.

 
I said I agree with you, I am not as concerned about where they come from, just that they care about managing the "other" fish with the passion as they have for trout.

Nice post..

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Bassrods likes to fish for bass using Mojo lures and Weights, and Parasite Weights.
Practice CPR...Catch, Photograph and Release.
Utah state C&R record 23.5"
Tight lines....

Not all have been illegally stocked...

And when a lake is growing the fish in it it takes years for the fish to reach a good size, but if you take the big ones out of one lake it takes time for new fish to grow...

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Bassrods likes to fish for bass using Mojo lures and Weights, and Parasite Weights.
Practice CPR...Catch, Photograph and Release.
Utah state C&R record 23.5"
Tight lines....

  lmao, I need to go find a stick to play with. It's more interesting.


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You guys crack me up. You have the belief that if it's not a bass it's trash. I am an avid bass fisher and I love the resources that are available to me in this state (Jordanelle- one of the BEST smallie fisheries in the west. Pelican Lake, S. Hollow, Quail, etc.). I'm also an avid fly fisher for trout and guess what, we just happen to live in a state that offers some of the most pristine beautiful trout waters available ANYWHERE!!! My point is that the DWR plays the bass game where possible and the trout game where possible. More trout? Yep. Becuase of the part of the country we live in.


Just a suggestion though to bassrods and the slimer haters. Before you start whining about the management of bass vs. trout in this state, go get a degree in fish biology. Opinions don't help any fish populations thrive.


This might give us 4 years of peace on this subject. Maybe more depending on the time it takes to get a GED.


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