Fishing

Why do you think I hate trout????
I do not hate any kind of fish I at times try to catch them all and fish for them all...
And to voice what I have heard and seen over the years what makes that wrong???

And what makes the waters in utah better for trout???

If the waters was better for trout why do they have to keep planting them???

I may not have a PHD (piled high & deep) and be just an old fisherman, but life is a great school I think...

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Bassrods likes to fish for bass using Mojo lures and Weights, and Parasite Weights.
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Utah state C&R record 23.5"
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I have no idea. I would say that the small mouths I personally like more then trout. If the game biologists wanted them in there they would have planted them. There is no real argument that the small mouth are pretty darn aggressive when it comes to eating the minnows so they are competing with the browns for food. Is there 4 kinds of fish for the smallmouth's to eat to sustain? I believe that is what you told me an aggressive fish needs to survive with the fluctuation of species of fish they are feeding on.

How big is Grantsville rez..??

I guess that by what I read that it is small so can you put a boat on it???

To me a trophy brown would be 15lb or bigger, do the browns get that big or how big do they get???

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Bassrods likes to fish for bass using Mojo lures and Weights, and Parasite Weights.
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It's only a few acres - more like a community pond than anything else. You would not want to put your boat on it. Maybe a float tube or canoe. It would only take a few minutes to kick from one side to the other.

Heck there are probably professional distance casters that could cast across the thing.

As far as trophy browns go ... the 5 pound range - not 15.

Aren't you the same guy that always wants bass planted from a hatchery??

In this particular case (Grantsville), they DON'T plant the trout. The brown trout in Grantsville are self-sustaining. The DWR is not stocking them.

Cliff -- you can't measure the success of a fishery by spawning habitat. In some situations, a fishery can be improved by limiting (or even removing) the fishes ability to reproduce.



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Dr. Raymond Stantz

5 lb my foot dude. I've personally seen quite a few 9+ lbers come out and go right back in. I've caught at big as 7 lb 7 oz. and I KNOW there is bigger in there. And these were all within the past year and half. If you want to go back further we can with my families pictures, and it will show the same thing.
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Thanks, I can't see how a small body of water can be called anything close to a trophy body of water, and I think some one said they use it for city water or something like that...

Smallmouth will not do well in small pounds and in most small waters will stunt, but if that does happen the bass will just be food for the browns...

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Bassrods likes to fish for bass using Mojo lures and Weights, and Parasite Weights.
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Grantsville is bigger than a few acres. There is somewhat of a dirt ramp, but it is not very steep, and no docks. I see small boats in there quite often. You can't use gas motors. The lake is big enough to troll in, but I would not think putting in anything bigger than an aluminum boat would be worth it. Personally, I would launch my 14ft aluminum if the bass fishing was any kind of decent. That is why I started this thread in the first place.

Small waters can be great for trophy fish as long as harvest remains low with only small fish being harvested. I've personally caught quite a few trophy bass for the state of Utah out of small waters. Fish over 5 lbs.
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  I can vouch for that, I've seen pictures . I have caught trophy fish out of small waters here in Utah. Small water does not equal small fish.


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hmmmm.....

Cliff -- if the smb stunt, doesn't that mean that there are too many fish for the water to handle? In that case, the browns would also be limited. You might end up with 1 or 2 large browns feeding on smallies, but a more likely scenario would be that the overpopulated smallies would be eating up each and every brown trout fry that showed up in the lake from the pipe. No more recruitment of brown trout. Eventually, there would be no brown trout left. Just a lake full of smallies, and probably some carp too. Such a shame.



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Dr. Raymond Stantz

I don't want to put a boat on it or even fish it, just trying to picture how big it may be...

Large mouth does great in small water but small mouth just do not...I would guess that a 12" to 14" smallie would be big for that size of lake or pond...

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Bassrods likes to fish for bass using Mojo lures and Weights, and Parasite Weights.
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Utah state C&R record 23.5"
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Hey Cliff, here are some pictures of the lake so you can judge for yourself.

I had planned to try tubing it and fishing plastics along the rocky rip rap this spring. There is some bassy looking rock there, and lots of crawdads. If the smallies are there, that is where they will be.

I'm not saying that small waters can't grow some types of big fish, but as a rule small mouth just don't do well in small water that gets fished much...But large mouth sure can...

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Bassrods likes to fish for bass using Mojo lures and Weights, and Parasite Weights.
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Not always, well true stunting is lack of food for a body of water where the fish over a size may starve and you have fish with big heads and small body with fish only looking good when smaller..

But in Utah people call it stunting when the fish get over fished and all you may have left is young fish or small fish...

To get big fish it takes time for them to grow and the right food...

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Bassrods likes to fish for bass using Mojo lures and Weights, and Parasite Weights.
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Utah state C&R record 23.5"
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I've never caught a SM out of it, but I've seen a few pulled out. Size wise they remind me of the dinks I've caught at Rockport, maybe 10"-13". Not a lot of experience, but it is what I've observed.

As far as reservoir size, I looked up the data on waterquality.utah and found that the reservoir is 88 acres in size, max depth of 63 feet with a shoreline 1.6 miles long.

Thanks for the pictures, looks like the water is low but even at full pool its not that big...Let me know when you plan your trip I would like to know...

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Bassrods likes to fish for bass using Mojo lures and Weights, and Parasite Weights.
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Utah state C&R record 23.5"
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With that size of pond it could get some smallies up to 4+lb if they have time to grow, but fishing presser will have to play as well...

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Bassrods likes to fish for bass using Mojo lures and Weights, and Parasite Weights.
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tell hole truth stunting is too many fish in to small water when fish never stop "doing it" and keep making babies so eat selfs out house home leave no room for other fish begin to starve but stilll "do it" and make more babies but no more food or space to grow so thus stunt...

big fish not take time if have right habitat and population not get out of whack they grow fast with good food and stay under carry capacity...


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Dr. Raymond Stantz

You wanted me to say when you did you just did... It does take time for them to grow..It takes ALL fish time to grow some grow faster cause they get bigger in the long run like trout...Then you have perch, trout may grow 6" to 10" per year, Perch may grow 1 1/2" to 3" per year so for a perch to grow to 12" will take longer then trout...Bass, large mouth can grow 4" to 6" per year in lakes in Utah so trout and all fish grow at their own rate and take time some years to reach the same size on the same type of food..

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Bassrods likes to fish for bass using Mojo lures and Weights, and Parasite Weights.
Practice CPR...Catch, Photograph and Release.
Utah state C&R record 23.5"
Tight lines....

oh please you throw out numbers that you pull from your but and think that they make cents when really you make no cents at all you just keep typing thinking that evryone els is the crazy person think about it you say trout grow 6" to 10" per year but you not mention they're potential size which might be 40" then you say perch only grow 3" a year and do mention there potential size of 12" so which one is growing fast and which is slow?

But you did hit the mojo on the rock by saying fish do take time some longer then others depending on type of food to eat which brings me too grantsville which now has bass that will eat all the crayfish and start to eat the carp fry then that leaves nothing left for the trout to eat so then we'll need a hatchery to start stocking minnows for them all to eat because no hatcheries around for stock bass and the trout just don't do good.

I glad we on same page now and understand what each is saying no half truths or lies just run on sentences....



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Dr. Raymond Stantz