Fishing

The ball is a rolling. 4 years ago, my out of state was $54 or somewhere around there, then $84. and this year $97. PLUS the $20 each sticker for two pontoons.
This is ALL out of staters. So the next time you see a Utah license by a lake or river...remember at what price.

I was born and raised Idaho and I will retire there, so yes, you will see my Utah plate there, but it is getting tougher.
One reason I still do it, is you have campgrounds that are free still. Take them away, and I won't be back. My $140. should buy me something, I know I buy allot of fish for that.

Put up the good battle people, I will do the same, but it seems when Idaho F&G makes up their mind, there is no stopping them.
LIKE the invasive species sticker. One minute, they are considering it, the next minute, the law (I know that wasn't F&G, just sayin')




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agreed. im on your side. they jack up licenses and tags every year. i think it should be mandatory for places like fish and game parks and rec. blm to produce public records of what they purchase after all technically they work for us.


"He was on the ground before we heard the shot!"

doesent FOIA cover that since your a registered ID voter?





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I understand the sentiment of what you are saying and I certainly will be angry if I end up paying another $10 on top of my license fees, invasive sticker fee, Ririe boatramp fee, etc.... However, I believe the F&G is in serious need of a permanent funding source. Their budget rises and falls with the economy just like many of our jobs do. Yet they are expected to manage the hunting, fisheries and nongame species for an ever diverse population who is pulling them in all sorts of directions.

I have known many F&G officers/biologists and all of them have been hard working individuals. The lounge chair types might be in Boise but I don't know them.

As far as their equipment goes we have short memories. A few years ago they were all driving ancient trucks that were falling apart on a regular basis. They finally decided to upgrade the whole fleet. I don't begrudge them the equipment necessary to do their jobs to the best of their ability.

I say thank the F&G for the great job they are doing given the difficulty of their job.

Windriver

I still do like the fact they are raising the fees, even if it is for the WMA. To hunt pheasants on the WMA, I all ready have to buy a permit which comes out to around $4 a bird. I will not pay another $10 to hunt there. This last year the hunting on the WMA I was on was terrible. I hunted it 4 different trips and seen more deer than pheasants at a ratio of about 10 deer to 1 pheasant. Not worth it. This does seem like a way for the rich to still enjoy hunting while the poor get kicked to the side, again.

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On the fish and game site it shows there is already a WMA permit fee. If I am not mistaken it is $23.75. Does this mean an extra $10.00 tagged on? I am all for helping the Fish and Game out, because in all reality they do a lot for us but this is getting crazy.

You realize, Myself, Husband, a couple of Brothers and friends...10 total...That is $1,000. Just in my little get together.
Money should NOT be an issue, management IS however.




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F&G does not "work for you" in any way. They provide a service to you so that you can enjoy the luxuries of the outdoors. Hunting and fishing is not a right, it is a luxury. You may pay license fees that go towards salaries, but in the end you are not forced to do so.

As far as license fee increases, especially out of state licenses, look to Oregon. An out of state fishing license has increased from $61.50 to $106.25, a total increase of $44.75 in one year. Do I think that is a little out of hand in one year? Yes, but I'm willing to pay it to do what I enjoy.

That's actually only $100 flygoddess

But then it goes up again next year, then the following...plus new fees tacked on...PLUS the fact that this license is only good from Jan.1st to Dec. 31st and you are only able to use it maybe 4 to 6 months.
You will think twice and look for other options.
Question, if we don't buy licenses, then there would be no need for F&G, plus they would have no money, so...don't you think we do pay their salary and that they do work for us?
We pay police salary, and hopefully, that is a service we don't need as well.

What bites is having no control over what we pay. I pay for SCHOOLS and I have no children....is that right?




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if the price of non-res liscense's keeps going up the way they are, i would rather pay the ticket then buy one, seriously





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Myself I think that this is a legislative issue.

I can see that fishing and hunting was set up to be paid for by license fees, but that was the old vision of a few officers policing the laws. That was what fish and game was originally set up to do.

Things have changed DRASTICALLY, and their jobs and our expectations have changed. The funding needs to change also. Some of the non-game and conservation issues need to be funded from state general funds, or put a $5 conservation fund on the income tax, and have everyone pitch in their penny. If everyone paid it wouldn't have to be that much, if it went directly to F&G and NOT into the general fund.

The idea that we can support all that Fish and Game is now asked to do, by license fees alone is stupid, antiquated, and unrealistic. They aren't just policing the laws anymore. Sure there may be some waste, but individually they don't make much money. Most of them are there because they love the land and want to preserve our wildlife, fishing, and hunting. We need to help them out by getting the funding structure changed.

That my opinion anyway.

Now, putting it on Income tax is not a bad idea. That does reach the people they are looking to reach. The bird watchers, campers..etc.




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flygoddess, I agree that we pay their salaries. I don't however agree that they work for us. You don't make any of the decisions on what they do. If we had regular Joe Schmoe computer biologist making our F&G decisions it would be total chaos. You pay them to provide their expertise and service so you can enjoy the things you enjoy doing outdoors.

Like I said in an earlier post, don't buy licenses and see what happens. Nothing would get done within the F&G and there definitely wouldn't be an abundance of salmon coming back every year. Take it from someone that has lived on both sides of the fence when it comes to this. It seems to me in the publics eye the F&G is never doing a good enough job or screwing up. It's kind of hard to get a lot of work done with a limited work force because of your budget.

I owned a bar years ago. The Bar did outstanding for several years. Then the laws started to change, no more brown bagging. Business dropped off, we sold less alcohol. So, my partners decided to raise the price of the drinks. They wanted to get the same money we use to get off 100 drinks out of 50 now.
We lost even more people The bar is gone now.

What I am getting at, hitting a select group (out of staters) with the HIGH fees is going to effect everyone, as they will quit coming.

BUT, tack a $3. on income tax...an amount most can live with, seriously
and we are talking some major $

Oh and for the record, my early post 10 people @ $100. each equals $1,000. right?




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Sorry, thought you were talking about the $10 increase x10 people.

I like your $3 income tax increase idea. I also like the idea of some of the sales tax of outdoor related items going towards our natural resources.

It really could be a painless fix




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ok mabey i came off wrong on several ocassions in these posts i dont want anybody to think that i am not greatful for what fish and game has done for us they have done an amazing job with the chinook and steelhead and i am super greatful for it but i can barely afford to fish and hunt as it is and i dont make bad money. these are the things i grew up doing as a child. what is it going to cost my children to hunt in ten years? im all for conservation with out it we would have none of these amazing outdoor activities we have in idaho but i dont think that charging somebody to stop and look at a wood pecker is very fair.


"He was on the ground before we heard the shot!"

here is a link for what FOIA intels. i dont think it applies to The department of fish and game sharing their spending habits with us.

http://www.state.gov/m/a/ips/


"He was on the ground before we heard the shot!"

I don't see this going over very well in a less government is better state like idaho. It might be worth it if it got the fish and game to actually do their job. Just my personal experience but I haven't been to impressed with the idaho fish and game. Last year I reported a violation that I'm pretty sure nothing was done about. I gave them first and last names, dates, locations, and the multiple incidence. Seems like that would be enough info to at least check on it. I know they didn't because the guys who did it are some of my neighbors. I also had a friend who reported a big game violation that I thought was pretty serious (someone shot a buck and took the head and left the whole deer) they told him there was nothing they could do about it. I don't know how serious a crime that is but if it's not it should be.
I don't think the money would make any difference. It's bureaucracy and they would just take the money and make it a bigger bureaucracy.

Fly Goddess I'm sure you already have done this but when I checked on my kickboat it didn't meet the standards to have to get a sticker. I'm sure you allready know what your boat needs but just in case you don't have to.

It has an electric motor. But it is 10', so if I didn't use a motor, then no I wouldn't need the sticker, cause the INVASIVE SPECIES only attack boats, toons OVER 10'....but they like all motors




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idahoron wrote:[/quote]If the F&G came out and said, Entrance to F&G property is on a fee basis. A person must have a Fishing license, hunting license or this WMA conservation stamp to access the WMA's. I would support this.
I feel that I have already paid to use these areas with my licenses I have already bought. By doing it this way the hunters and fishermen would already have paid. The hikers, bikers and bird watchers can foot the bill on this one. Ron[/quote]

I agree with this completely. The fee should only apply to WMAs.
I think the state needs to kick some money to the F&G dept out of the general fund to support the non-game animals so all can benefit.

I've seen this mentioned a couple times, but pretty much overlooked by most on this thread so I'm going to mention it again. It says "Fish and game Management areas". Personally that would suggest to me WMA's. However the entire state is basically managed by the F&G. So shouldn't someone actually try to find out what areas would be affected? I personally could support an access charge for WMA's. That being said though I probably would not use it since I don't use them much now. One way that I could fully support is if they allowed your WMA stamp of whatever we buy to hunt on them now to work for accessing and then others that are there for birdwatching, walking the dog, siteseeing etc. would have to pay the access fee if they don't have the validation w/ their license. This would allow for every one to have to pay into they system without punishing those who already do.

If they want to cover ALL F&G management area (i.e. the entire state) I can guarantee they will be hearing my objections very loudly on this issue.


Duct tape is like the force. It has a dark side and light side and it holds the universe together.

It is obvious Idaho is getting into trouble. Look what ALMOST happened to the Ranch.
But, here is a thought or two. One...what about your Lottery? It is suppose to help education, but they aren't getting that much for whatever reason.
OR, as I mentioned, put $3. on Licenses and as mentioned Income Tax. No one is going to get hurt by this and it means big $.




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