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     Re: [ifishutah] Saratoga Circus In reply to
lol well if ya dont like the Circus why go to the Circus? . Crazy..




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I always give the other guy a lot of room and most times will just move if someone comes crowding me. one incident comes to mind when I didn't. My youngest brother was paralyzed from his waist down and confined to a wheelchair. We were catching white bass from the Provo river just outside the harbor a ways. This Asian dude saw my brother land a white so he walked right up next to him, not more than three feet away, and cast out right where my brother had been casting. I went to him & asked how well he could swim. He asked "why"? I told him to get his a-- away from us or we were gonna find out.

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Thank you for reminding me of why I moved away from the circus. I've been kind of bummed lately because Cache Valley has been so much colder than Utah Valley, but now I remember why it's worth dealing with it Tongue

I actually came across that sort of thing a lot at Utah Lake. People have no problem crowding you out there, especially if you start catching fish.


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     Re: [GEEZER] Saratoga Circus In reply to
LOL,,,,Tom that reminds me of letting a Elk hunting trespasser know a person ownes the mountain road and the 5,000 acres it travels on. Then asking them if they realize how hard its is to find a body when search that much property.. Smile

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 There is just to much bank access since they cut all the reeds out of there. Before there were so many reeds the bank anglers were resricted to certain areas. Now the whole shore is wide open and there is a fisherman in every spot.
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I had the exact same thing happen near the pump house. I carry a side arm in plain view when I go anywhere out there because people can be such idiots out there. When I tell someone to move along, I want them to understand that I mean it and won't take any crap when they stand and cast right on top of me. Apparently some other people don't understand personal space and common courtesy.

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I thought the harbor was private and there was no walk in traffic unless you lived in the community. I also thought they had it patrolled. Hmmmmm I know some folks are not deterred by no tresspassing signs. I see it all the time especially when the white bass are hitting at the knolls. As Tube Dude calls it "Combat Fishing" it can make ones temper flair

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Whenever I go to the Knolls, be it to fish or to pick up trash after the TRASH that leave it there, I have my 9mm. on my belt.

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It's weird there, for sure. I have a friend there who gave me parking passes, but even then, I get harassed by the locals. I get it, you pay $80 some odd dollars a month to your HOA, you get tired of people walking in and combat fishing/taking every fish they catch -- but does that really mean you have to be deleted? I don't even park in the gated lot, I park in front of my friends house and I've had two different people pull up next to me as I'm getting my pontoon boat out to tell me that I'm trespassing, etc. Seriously? Does it matter that I release every fish I catch? Does it matter that I'm courteous to fellow fishermen, property owners, etc? Does it matter that I'm taking fish with my fly rod 95% of the time? Nope. I get lumped in with "All of the Asians!" that park out front and walk in.

Annoying to say the least. Like it was said above, that particular harbor offers a unique opportunity because of the spring, but I'm just about fed up with it because of the locals -- NOT the "Asians".
(This post was edited by kentofnsl on Feb 21, 2012, 4:02 PM)

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(This post was edited by ifishutah on Feb 21, 2012, 7:12 PM)

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Seriously I hope you guys don't consider shooting someone over fishing. If so, you take fishing way to seriously.
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     Re: [scartinez] Saratoga Circus In reply to
Big difference between "Shooting" someone and "Killing" them. If you just wing 'em, they'll probably get the point.

Win/Win

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     Re: [scartinez] Saratoga Circus In reply to
scartinez wrote:
Seriously I hope you guys don't consider shooting someone over fishing. If so, you take fishing way to seriously.

The exposed gun kind of eluded me as well. I guess welcome to the wild west.
You guys did listen to the news about the gentleman the pulled his gun on dogs?
However, I use to leave an empty holster on my Harley handlebarsCool





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An email I got that I thought you may find interesting.




"The Gun Is Civilization"

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and
force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of
either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under
threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two
categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact
through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social
interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the
personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use
reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your
threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on
equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal
footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal
footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun
removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a
potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad
force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more
civilized if all guns were removed from society. But, a firearm makes
it easier for an armed mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only
true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by
choice or by legislative fiat - it has no validity when most of a
mugger's potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the
young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a
civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a
successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force
monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that
otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in
several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the
physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute
lethal force, watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come
out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes
lethal force easier, works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not
the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an
octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply would
not work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and
easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but
because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I
cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid,
but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions
of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of
those who would do so by force. It removes force from the
equation.



And that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act !!

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)



So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally
armed and can only be persuaded, never forced !!

This is worth remembering, and sharing with others....... right?

Remember freedom is not free.



" Si vis pacem, para bellum "

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     Re: [scartinez] Saratoga Circus In reply to
scartinez wrote:
There is just to much bank access since they cut all the reeds out of there. Before there were so many reeds the bank anglers were resricted to certain areas. Now the whole shore is wide open and there is a fisherman in every spot.

So less access would mean more room?
Crazy


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     Re: [WiperMac] Saratoga Circus In reply to
Preaching to the choir, I think. I am all for the right to bear arms. I have a concealed weapons permit and I do pack. Just never thought of pointing it at someone to get them to move.....
I did learn in training to only pull it when intending to use it, and that better be life threatening.

There is a wrong time to pull a gun. That is all.





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(This post was edited by flygoddess on Feb 21, 2012, 4:00 PM)

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TroutBumDave wrote:
Big difference between "Shooting" someone and "Killing" them. If you just wing 'em, they'll probably get the point.

Win/Win

I'll bet they also get a lawyer and sue you for everything you got, plus what your children will make for the next 30 years. And don't forget the prison time for attemped homicide.
"But Judge, he threw some garlic sparkle power bait at me. I felt like my life was threatened so I had to shoot. It was him or me"
That defense should hold up in any court in the U.S.
(This post was edited by wiperhunter2 on Feb 21, 2012, 5:28 PM)

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Not trying to escalate anything. Think about the people that read this forum and there might be a few that will pack a gun and really pull it and shoot someone. As a CC holder, you have an obligation when you carry.
Even showing a gun to someone is considered a threat. They call the cops, your ass is grass.

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you are right, but it sure did didn't itShocked





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This is interesting because I have had people try and run me out of the harbor there when I was in my boat, coming in from the lake !!! It really surprises me that they are not running everyone out that does not live in S.S. because it is all posted No Trespassing. My guess is that they are ticketing all the cars, but they just ignore the ticket. Someone should call DWR and get a Conservation Officer to come and check licsenses and bag limits.

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lol well if ya dont like the Circus why go to the Circus? . Crazy..

BEST POST EVER !!!



This is NOT direct at one person or at the group of persons:

I Understand the need to vent and had more than my fair share of combat fishing. But your fishing in a area that been well known for that sort of thing. No.. there no excuse for crowding, I 100% agree the guy casting infront of your boat was in the wrong. But really ... Did you take into consideration WERE YOU ARE FISHING ???

There over 100 homes and business in that area cmon you have to expect to be crowed when fishing in a area that's crowded. holy @#@#


And the rest of you thinking your going to pull a Gun....What the !@#$...how pitiful of human being are you? Let brandish a firearm over a fishing spot ???? REALLY WHATS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE...

Honestly Im disturbed with kind of people you think you are, acting all righteous then threatening people with a sidearm... really isn't that what gang members do... so your saying that YOUR no different then when bloods or crips threaten with guns and violence to defend there territories.... talk about your hypocritical nonsense.
(This post was edited by sinergy on Feb 21, 2012, 6:29 PM)

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     Re: [WiperMac] Saratoga Circus In reply to
+1 at least. Too damn many of these bleeding heart Hilary Clinton gun control freaks are too damn STUPID to realize that guns don't kill, people do. The saying that "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have them." is so totally obvious, how can the damn fools not see it.

Gotta git offen this here subjet--muh blud preshur iz rizin.