Fishing

Does anyone know why it's illegal in many places but the DNW officers are promoting it at certain places anyway? You all know the places. Why don't they just make it legal for target species? Is it too hard to target just one fish when under water like that?





Los Ladrones! Who's stealing all my posts?

Are you lonely, bored or just trying to run up your post count?

Stumped,

You seem confused about many rules and regulations here in UT.

Harpooning is done from above the surface.
Spearfishing is done below the surface.

if you do get into harpooning, please please please take a picture of your boat with your harpoon mounted on the front... would be great to see that thing making the rounds at willard near all the jet skiers





Have you read my Blog? I hear it's getting better!

http://redneckflyfishing.blogspot.com/

Tamato tomato.

There are some interesting spearfishermen here. Maybe you can tell me who they are so I can pm them and avoid those who come here just to harass others and provide nothing otherwise.




Maybe that would get their attention.





Los Ladrones! Who's stealing all my posts?

Tomato/tamato?

Tell that to a judge and see where it gets you.

The law is specific and for a reason. One method is legal, the other is not. A "Spear fisher" cannot even spear form the surface the law is so specific, they must be "underwater".

(ff) "Spear" means a long-shafted, sharply pointed, hand held instrument with

or without barbs used to spear fish from above the surface of the water.

(gg) "Spearfishing (underwater)" means fishing by a person swimming,

snorkeling, or diving and using a mechanical device held in the hand, which uses a rubber band, spring, pneumatic power, or other devise to propel a pointed shaft to take fish from under the surface of the water.


From the code.


Let me add this, if I see someone "Spearing" fish, I'm calling the law and if your cited, bet cash money that I will show up at court to testify.

Wow! Is everyone a snooty bully in this place or what? I'm asking why the DNW doesn't make it legal for targeted species in certain waters where they're already promoting it with look the other way responses.

If you don't have anything to add to the question then why are you responding other than to pester me?





Los Ladrones! Who's stealing all my posts?

Sorry, but your choice of words and the questions you have been posing are less indicative of a serious angler and more suggestive of a troll trying to get attention.

But, since you posed an interesting question on the subject of the legality of killing carp by various and sundry methods, I will chime in. I have always found it a bit silly that DWR wholeheartedly condones decimating carp by any an all means...bows, spears, clubs, pitchforks, etc....but rules out the use of crossbows and snagging. What's up with that? Crossbows are potentially more dangerous...as are guns...which are also outlawed for carp killing. But snagging not being legal? C'mon. It is done commonly both by accident and by design all the time. But I have never heard of anyone being busted for snagging carp.

Go check out utahspearfishing.com
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wagdog

Pat,
You know as well as I that if it was legal to "Snag" carp that someone would be snagging "other" fish along with them.

Snagging is indiscriminate.
I grew up where snagging was allowed, when they outlawed it to protect spawing fish people would put 5/0 trebles on 2oz hopkins and use those. They would rip those things back so fast and hard, you knew what they were really doing. So, the DWR closed the streams to all fishing during the spawn.

It's not allowed because there is to much chance of snagging game fish and raising mortality of the game fish.

Not condoning the deliberate snagging of any species...even carp. But when they are thick in an area it is almost impossible to avoid the occasional "tail taker" or "dorsal diner". And I know it is a common practice for catfish anglers to "force feed" a carp or two for bait. I know what the laws are and the reasons for them. But I don't think anyone should be given a citation for removing a carp from the lake accidentally...or on purpose. That is a matter for the COs to interpret. And for what it is worth I have been told that they don't care if a carp is snagged or not...just that it be properly utilized or disposed of and not left laying on the bank.

I can still remember the olden days on the lower Provo River when all the local goobers flocked down there to snag the "pike" (walleyes) when they swarmed up the river. The standard method was to make up some "Provo River dry flies"...large treble hooks with bell sinkers tied under them...and with a piece of bright yellow foam to help them see and guide the "lures" into the sides of the visible walleyes.

Hard to imagine that DWR is concerned about the incidental snagging of carp in Utah Lake and yet turns a blind eye to the wholesale rape of lake trout in Flaming Gorge.

Went up one fall with my brother to fish for the macs up on the humps. Had the whole bay to ourselves for most of the day. then about an hour before dark all of the what looked like guide boats started stacking up on top of us and started using poles that looked like pool cues and huge jigs with giant treble stingers on the back of them.

As we watched them fish they were saying how you had to jig aggresivly to get them to bite. It was obvious what they were doing sowe got the heck out of Dodge and have never went back.

Spent a few years down at deer Creek during the walleye run and it was the same thing there. Don't get it myself but that's just me.
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Light travels faster than sound.

So some people seem really bright until you hear them talk.

Perzackly. That aggressive jigging gets those big spawning macks to hit the jigs with their tails, sides and guts. The ones that don't get winched up into the boats often die of their ripped out wounds.

There seems to always be some fishermen...not sportsmen...who have to kill something by any means...fair or foul. Poaching is a disease that is among us...both hunters and anglers. I don't understand it either. I have seen guys busted for poaching who were well off financially and certainly did not need the harvest for food. Just the lust for killing.

Eh, I doubt there would be much side kill snagging carp from a boat on UL. Maybe from shore but not from a boat.

I'm not talking about carp anyway. There's a certain place with an illegally introduced species and I'm not mentioning the exact name because I don't want to spoil it for the people with an interest in spear fishing there. DNR all but condones illegal fishing there and I think it would be much easier to just change the law. It doesn't make sense to me why they don't but I'm sure the biologists have some good reasons.

*Edit* I completely misread your post and you're right.





Los Ladrones! Who's stealing all my posts?

I have a short story. I grew up in Iowa and my brother and I were always looking for new ways to catch fish. Somehow we discovered the gig(I think there was one hanging up in the local bait shop). Anyway we got a couple, heard there were carp in Mosquito creek and hiked a couple of miles over there to see how our gigs would do. We ended up spending many days gigging carp and shad at a little diversion dam. My brother even got his picture in the paper for a 25lb carp. Those were good times