"If so you need one that is rated for class 4 waters. Usually that means at least 9-10 ft long. Check out what will be the roughest water you want to get into and gauge by that. "
"I personally like the North Fork Outdoors Renegade or Assault. They are both rated for class 5 whitewater. They are 9 ft long, weigh between 25 to 30 pounds and are frameless"
"Cgives excellent advise"
"It is just a rating saying they have been taken down this water by a professional and the boat did fine. "
"By mentioning the Renegade, the Rampage, the Assault, the XX or any of the frameless models and even the X5 you are really talking apples and oranges from the sounds of it." ( Obviously I did not mention them ).
"Maybe you should look at the other line of NFO that is more equal to this like the Professional Guide. More apples to apples"
I agree it would be more" apples to apples " which could be done,I was commenting on what WAS being discussed.
"Is this Riverrunner? Same one that was banned from Washington? Sorry but no linking to other forums. "
"I know, that Riverrunner is a piece of work"
"I have not doubt you are NOT Riverrat "
Reversal,speaks for itself.
" There is a big difference in river fishing and white water fishing. I would not think of taking my boat down the middle fork I don't have the skills'
While I understand the statement, The comments ARE about class 4 water on rivers while fishing ( not necessarily fishing in or thru that ) and classifying boats class 5 especially framless ones
"Divin, you are the white water master here. I have no desire, nor did I read the original poster did, for running Class whatever white water. Big difference in running a river to fish that has a few white caps and Class ? white water"
Far far from it , I have though been on the water enough fishing, rafting , sailing ( 27' Cal ) diving ( my greatest passion ) to have an opinion.
The posts speak for themselves I did not bring up class 4 in rivers ( while fishing ) , I am not the one(s) that compared the Renegade / others to class 5 not " whitecaps and class ? white water " another reversal ? I did have an opinion if class 4 or 5 would be a possibility then there are " much better choices out there ".
You seem to take great offense to anybody having any opinion other than purchasing a Scadden unit. I stated for certain things I felt they where great . I guess that is not good enough.
Yes I posted videos and what "rockers" where designed for . I think which was my intent , is that the videos show that even WITH the right equipment what real class 3 or above is like. And what it would be like for anybody thinking of trying it in a frameless or small framed unit. I,like you am entitled to have that opinion.
I clearly stated I have no relationship with any person or manufacturer involved in the business. My question to you ? What is your relationship with NFO other than being a guide that has you so defensive on someone else's opinions.
Actually, you did start the white water portion of this thread (reversal) and you read my first response, I said I prefer, I am a long time satisfied customer (no affiliation....reversal?) And I mentioned Outcast and Bucks, both made in Boise Both of which I have owned. I never mentioned relationship with any person or manufacturer involved in the business -reversal?
The thought of white water never entered my mind with many years of floating and fishing different sections of the snake. But then I didn't look for them either, I fish.
I too posted a video of the smaller frameless floating some white water...reversal?
You did mention that NFO was great for certain things and that is your opinion which you are entitled to. I think you are right, this is one of those things, my opinion.
It all boils down that in fact, he was looking more for what CPierce, Idahoron and I were offering...reversal?
I have no idea your problem but maybe re reading this post might turn a light on.