Fishing

flygoddess wrote:[/quote]Sadly, Henry's is going quantity as well. They planted large numbers and extended the season, but people didn't keep the numbers they expected. People want QUALITY and not keeping the small guys. Problem is, they can't get big because there are now too many of them. Crazy. Does not make sense to try to please the quantity people with a blue ribbon fishery.[/quote]
Unfortunately, it does seem that Henrys is turning out that way. I still will probably fish the opening chaos this year.

I say go for it, and keep your limit each trip Seriously, that is what they want. And "I" want you to catch the stillwater trout of a life time




Some things are better left alone, Even though, some feel they know better.
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If you're going to plant something different in the berry I say make it walleye.

Trying to find as easy way of putting this .....

Move along nothing to see here... Just someone who wants to change something for himself.

Tigers in Strawberry What a joke.....

Kamloops with a restriction. The die hard anglers at Strawberry dealt with the cutt restrictions- at first resisting, then when they saw the results, became the biggest supporters. Put a slot on kamloops, like the cutts and maybe a trophy lake. I sincerly doubt it would come to fruition, but wishfull thinking.
The Gerrard strain has been in Idaho stillwaters for a long time. Utah waters aren't that much different I wouldn't think.
They planted them in, of all places, Mantua years ago. Clipped the adipose so you had to throw them back, but Mantua, seriously, is a piss poor body of water to plant those fish in.

Kamloops are just rainbows. Rainbows that DON'T have to compete with, nor eat chubs.


Fishrmn

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Ya big kamloops feed on Kokanee. Go ahead, stock 'em in Strawberry, Flaming gorge, Porcupine and Causey. Those salmon lovers would really go for that....not!
Just one more brookie........

well still more people have went out of their way to sign then to complain so this is a plus




"There's a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore looking like an idiot." Steven Wright

They're already in the Gorge.

I wouldn't call it "out of their way"', but more power to you and your petition. Good luck.
BTW, where are the total # of sigs at?

So, you mean to tell me that in order for some fish to grow larger that anglers should harvest more fish? Wow!! Amazing concept!

sounds a bit like the Provo River and the brown trout population!


Therapist -- you are close. Your concept is on the money, but I don't believe that the problem at Strawberry is based on this concept. Why? Because you don't have a "full bucket" at Strawberry. Strawberry has the food base for the trout. The problem at Strawberry is harvest. The rainbows get yanked out of there before they ever have a chance to grow big. More harvest (or mortality) at Strawberry is not the answer. In this particular case, the fishery is managed as a "put and take". The rainbows are stocked in large quantities so that anglers can harvest large quantities.

Now, if you cut back on stocking, you very well might increase the average size of rainbows. The reason would be due to lower catch rates. Lower catch rates could increase the size -- but is that what anglers really want??


Henry's Lake is a pretty hard lake to compare any Utah lakes to. It is a very large surface area, shallow, fertile lake. Comparing that to steep sided, deep reservoirs that experience dramatic water level fluctuations, like most of our reservoirs in Utah, is a pretty tough comparison to make.



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Didn't see an option to vote against the petition. Looked to me like you can either sign it or not.


Fishrmn

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion."
— Thomas Jefferson

"The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its limits."
— Albert Einstein

This is a moot point, tigers are already in strawberry,and have been caught near the ladders.Hope i didn,t ruin anyones day.i'm for them they eat chubs and don't reproduce so no harm no foul. imho.tight lines see ya on the water.

yes tigers are in there i have caught a dozen or more in the last year just like to see a few more




"There's a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore looking like an idiot." Steven Wright

Yup. and in that "Gem" Mountain lake up on the hill to the east! Now that's noice!
Just one more brookie........

I've heard that, and that's fine by me! I feel I've caught a few of those jumpin', pullin', silver rockets from there in the last few years. Best fish in the Gorge IMO.
Just one more brookie........

My cousins tiger from the berry :) 19 inch. They are there:) Bored and have not read anyone elses posts here... just got picture happy



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i have caught a dozen or so out of the berry in the last year and only kept one for the ice fishing challenge just like to see them in better numbers




"There's a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore looking like an idiot." Steven Wright

so, it appears that surplus tigers are already being stocked in Strawberry. So, now you need to find out what kind of return-to-creel they get out of those fish. Further, you need to find out if our hatchery production could produce enough tiger trout to consistently stock Strawberry with them.

You may find out that the DWR has already looked into this, and found that tiger trout are not a good option for Strawberry -- unless you start stealing tiger trout for other lakes.
It sounds as if the surplus stocking is giving people a few tiger trout anyway. So, I guess the real question is: why change anything?




Fshrmn -- you can give all the evidence in the world that Kamloops are nothing more than an over-hyped rainbow -- but people won't listen to you. Interestingly enough, British Columbia, home to the Kamloops region, doesn't even use "kamloops" rainbows in their stocking plans (http://www.gofishbc.com/..._TROUT_STRAINS.pdf). They use Pennask in most of the waters in the Kamloops area.

People place too much emphasis on strain, when it isn't strain that typically limits the rainbow trout growth.



I couldn't help it. It just popped in there.
Dr. Raymond Stantz

Here's part of a write up the DWR posted concerning rainbow trout, and the threat of whirling disease at Strawberry. plus, the current strain of rainbow trout that are being stocked, and why. the link is below if you are interested in reading the entire article. this may help to answer at least part of the reason why Kamloops rainbows arent currently part of the management plan at Strawberry, or in utah as a whole.

i agree with you 100%, about the fact that unless properly managed it doesn't make a d*** bit of difference what strain of rainbow is used, if they are being taken as 12-14" planters. that's exactly the point i'm trying to make, and meant to answer my own questions as part of the post.

as a last side note. i've noticed catching many more rainbows in the berry the last couple of years(including the big dude in the pic we took through the ice this January).I 've heard that predation was a big problem in the past while stocking the 3" fingerlings. now that they are back to planting 8" bows, maybe we're starting to see positive results?? i dont know for sure, it's just an observation.

"Most of the rainbow and cutthroat trout currently stocked into Strawberry are a minimum of 8 inches long. "WD should not affect these fish," he says.
Most of the rainbows currently stocked into Strawberry are a WD-resistant strain known as the Harrison-Hofer strain. Because of the recent WD find, Wilson says the DWR will expand the use of this strain at Strawberry in the future. "Harrison-Hofer rainbows have been shown to develop much lower infection levels than other rainbow strains," Wilson says.

http://wildlife.utah.gov/...d-at-strawberry.html

 



These tigers may be washing in from Current Creek also. It would be interesting to find out where they have come from.
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Light travels faster than sound.

So some people seem really bright until you hear them talk.

Duckdog, why don't you post up the letter you received from the DWR on the subject? it will help answer some of the questions other folks are bringing up.





Simon Peter saith.........I go a fishing. (John 21:3)

remember that predation can be more than just fish. Cormorants and pelicans can have a huge impact on fisheries and populations of fish. This is another place where strain can come into play. Consider whether or not the strain spawns in the spring, or fall. Now consider how large those fish will be when the cormorants and pelicans pass through. Those birds can wipe out an entire year-class of fish.

If you stocked Kamloops in a place like Minersville, it would be disasterous. Due to spawning timing, those young fish would "eatable" size in the spring when cormorants show up. You'd lose all those fish before anglers ever had a chance to catch them. So, you use a different strain (Sand Creek?) that spawns at a different time of year (spring vs. fall) so that the fish are large enough in the spring that the birds cannot eat them.

Attached is a nice article concerning bird predation (cormorants) on trout populations in southern Utah waters. Interesting stuff.



I couldn't help it. It just popped in there.
Dr. Raymond Stantz

Informative material. Interesting that on at least Minersville the cormorants may consume more trout than anglers consume.


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