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Re: [Wildcat94] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
Not to be a whiner but I wonder if the water owners will have to pay more, or do they pay at all. The taxpayes built these water projects and the recreational users pay the upkeep, so even if we all went to Idaho the taxpayers would have to pick up the bill, but mabie that would be less expensive than just the fishermen paying it.

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Re: [flygoddess] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
True statement....I was actually thinking the same thing!

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Re: [flygoddess] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
flygoddess wrote:
I know this is a good event and all, but can someone tell me why the state puts out so much money for Bicycles, but bicyclist pay no taxes? (Like cars, boaters, Motorcyclist)[/quote]




Not sure what you mean by this statement? Do you want little kids registering their tricycles? Or paying extra taxes when someone buys the bike because all of the damage bicycles cause to our roads, oh wait that doesn't happen. And also, what do you mean by the State putting out so much money for bicyclists? The money used to put an extra paint line on roads.
(This post was edited by Ktrout on May 5, 2012, 10:56 AM)

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Re: [Ktrout] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
Ktrout wrote:

Not sure what you mean by this statement? Do you want little kids registering their tricycles? Or paying extra taxes when someone buys the bike because all of the damage bicycles cause to our roads, oh wait that doesn't happen. And also, what do you mean by the State putting out so much money for bicyclists? The money used to put an extra paint line on roads.

I have to register my pontoon boat with the state, and I guaran-damn-tee that isn't hurting the lake or the environment. Who cares if the bikes don't cause damage to the road, or if it doesn't cost much to put in bike lanes -- they use the road, they should pay their fair share. Everyone else does, why don't they? I think it's not too obtuse to request that you have to register your road bike or mountain bike (just like pontoons and boats) if you're going to be riding it on public roads and trails.

Then again, I hate bikers and everything they stand for, so my biased opinion could be pure schlock.
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Re: [TroutBumDave] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
You only have to register your pontoon if you put a motor on it. The state should tax people based on the fact that you don't like them, that makes sense. Should we also have to register our shoes if you use them to walk on trails? Going back to my previous statement, are you stating that kids have to register their bikes or just adults. Almost any bike travels on a public roadway at some point so every bike would have to be registered. I'm not worried about it, registering bikes won't happen.

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Re: [Ktrout] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
That's right. If I put a tiny little electric motor on it, all of a sudden I have to pay. Sounds stupid, right? Does that mean that every kid who is floating on a swimming pool type toy, or guys in float tubes, or people on paddle boards need to pay? I'm not saying that every bike should be registered, that's silly. But road bikes or trail bikes should.

I like how defensive you're getting, it's cute.
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Re: [TroutBumDave] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
I don't even ride so I'm not defensive about it. I was just responding to the type of comment you mention below, "stupid". Nothing more, nothing less.

I do agree that having to register a pontoon with just an electric motor has never made sense to me, just like registering a bike. Roller blades, skateboards, razors, tricycles, mountain bikes, road bikes, stunt bikes, etc etc, they all use public roadways/trials. Hopefully you don't hate all of them, or we might have to register them. Oh wait, whatever you are talking about will never happen.

By the way, I've never had anyone call me cute before, well at least to my face Pirate

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Re: [Ktrout] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
I would say if you intend to ride it on public roads you should be required to register it and follow all traffic and safety laws, You should also be able to go the posted speed limit and if you are hindering the flow of traffic get out of the way until it has cleared just like the farmers have to do when they are running there combine down the road.

I am not saying a child on a tricycle should have to pay fees as they are not going to be on the road where vehicles with engines belong.

The sense of entitlement now a days is ridiculous.

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Re: [mattpeace] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
Your neighborhood street is a public road, so if going by these rules, most bikes would have to be registered. Many bike paths cross public roadways, etc etc. Bicyclists are required to follow all traffic and safety laws already, including they are not allowed to impede traffic, registering a bike wouldn't change that.

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Re: [Wildcat94] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
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Re: [mattpeace] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
Not replying to you matt, but there seems to be no "open reply".

I for a long time did not think that bikes needed to be registered, but recently they have been given "Equal" rights to many roads. Equal to cars.
If they are "Equal" then they need to pony up some money so they are truly equal.
I would think that if your old enough to have a drivers license than you should have to pay a yearly fee and have a sticker showing that you have paid on your bike. Many bikes are not $80 Rollfasts anymore. Modern high tech bikes cost in excess of $4,000. More than a decent used car. They pay no registration fee, no license fee, require no training in the rules of the road, pay no gas tax, there is no law setting aside 10% of waht is spent on the sport like there is for hunting and fishing equipment (see, tubers without motors do pay into the system) and they are not required to carry liability insurance.
So, if a bike runs a stop sign and does damage to your car, what recourse do you have? If a bike hits a pedestrian, what money pool is there to pay for the pedestrians injuries?

I have nothing against bikes, I love mine. I just think in this day in age where everyone has to contribute to the public facilities they use, bikes are getting a free ride they don't need.
To a guy with a $3k bike, wearing $500 worth of clothes and transporting their bike on a $300 rack, another $20 per year should be no big deal.
Not to mention that the recording of the serial numbers in the registration process would halp return many stolen bikes to their owners.

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Re: [TroutBumDave] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
"Then again, I hate bikers and everything they stand for, so my biased opinion could be pure schlock."

CoolI have had a whole lot of relaxed driving experiences turn into frustrating confrontations when purposefully slowed down, restrained or outright harassed by a group of bike riders who took over all lanes of a public thoroughfare and would not yield to vehicular traffic. While following such a group...at a safe distance...I had to suddenly slam on my brakes and run off the road to avoid running over several of them when one spastic dumped his bike and caused a pileup. To make matters worse, they all started yelling at me as if I had caused the problem...but none volunteered to pay for the damage caused to my car. I shoulda just run over all of them. Wished I had.

There are lots of special interest groups (like fishermen) who become totally engrossed in their favorite pastime to the extent they ignore all other people...and consider anybody else a mere nuisance or a threat to their enjoyment. When any two such groups...fishermen and bicyclists...have an unavoidable encounter it usually results in "friction". Who's right and who's wrong? Both.

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Re: [Ktrout] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
But they don't follow those rules and I have never seen one get pulled over for cutting traffic, blowing stop signs/lights etc, But i guarantee if i were to do any of those things on my motorcycle I would be stopped and fined.

I understand bicycles will never have to be registered and will always have to be catered to.

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Re: [mattpeace] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
I was almost hit by a bike while running today. I also have had many bad experiences with cyclists. Doesn't change my view on registration. One of the issues I see is that most of the issues related to bikes on the road, are not related to your average day family that has bikes and uses them on occasion on the public road. Trolls' example of the person with well over 5k into their bike/gear, is not going to be hurt by money for registration or time it takes to register the bike. But your average day individual may be, and as I mentioned they still use the road on occasion and would still have to register their bike. The laws that are not being followed, will continue to not be followed by cyclists.

I can't stand bicyclist that take up the road, block it, ride on narrow winding roads or are high and mighty about riding. Registration will not change how these individuals act. I once again don't ride, don't hang out with cyclists, and don't condone the issues described in some of the responses here, I have had similar things happen.

Going back to Trolls' comments, taxing the road bikes up front might work, but registration is not going to happen.
(This post was edited by Ktrout on May 5, 2012, 12:48 PM)

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Re: [Ktrout] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
My answer to you. I live off California Avenue. This has 215 at one end and I 15 at the other in about 3 mile radius. It "WAS" two lane both direction with sidewalks on both sides from one freeway to the other.
It was decided that they need to make it more bike friendly although they are all ready using the sidewalks, so they cut it down (MAJOR bottle neck) from Redwood road to 5th west to one lane both directions, a center turning lane and LARGE (large enough for two bicyclers to ride side by side) lanes on both sides PLUS parking lanes on both sides. This has turned into a nightmare. They took two lanes away from a growing populated area and gave it to bicycles that do not pay road taxes.
I am not talking little children, seriously...
They close off a whole canyon road..
I never mentioned registering a bike in my original post that got this thread in a tail spin.
I do feel that bikes want the same roads, then pay. Like you mentioned, motorize a pontoon, then register it...ride a bike out on busy roads, use it instead of a car but share the same street , register it.
I do ride, but I do stick to bike trails, and when I ride on public streets I ride up the side next to the sidewalk "out" of the way of traffic. Small neighborhoods are a different story, as you say, Children.

Sorry I hit a sore spot with you.





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(This post was edited by flygoddess on May 5, 2012, 3:41 PM)

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Re: [Troll] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
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Not replying to you matt, but there seems to be no "open reply".
Troll (and anybody else who doesn’t already know this),

When you hit the ‘Reply’ button (or the ‘Quote’ button for that matter) a separate window opens up and you then enter your text. Well, look just above the box where you type in your text and you will see a blue colored bar with the word ‘Subject:’ in it. To the right of that word is another box that says something to this effect: ‘Re: [somebody’s user name] Title of the thread’. If you want the reply to be an open reply, then just edit that box and remove the ‘Re:’ and ‘[somebody’s user name]’. You can leave the original title in or put in another title. You’ve just made it an open reply. Does that help?


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Re: [Ktrout] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
From my understanding and I could be wrong but Utah requires all motorized vehicles to be registered with the state. Cyclists obviously don't use a motor and don't require a registration. Which is ass backwards considering Cyclists are considered vehicles when on the roads and are suppose to obey all the same traffic rules as vehicles.

Rocky Anderson is a big cyclist He tried Turing a portion of 7th or 9th east into big cycling park again im just guessing but I sure he green lights or backs allot of the activities hence closing of roads ect ect.

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Re: [flygoddess] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
Joni,
I know you pretty well, but one of the things that really gets under my skin is when people complain about Utah and then say how ID has better fishing for less money, blah, blah, blah. If its so good, then move to ID or quit yer' complainin'! The reservoirs/lakes you speak of are either privately owned so they can charge whatever they would like or the ramps are privately owned on a public water and they can charge whatever they would like too. Its no one in particular's fault that this happens, but if I personally owned a launch area on a lake, I would charge a trespass fee to launch too. Just rattlin' your cage a bit.
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Re: [BearLakeFishGuy] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
As one who also complains (me), you have to admit Idaho does, you can't argue with that now can you. As for the assinine, "If you don't like it leave" mentality, get over it. I live here, I work here, I pay Utah state income taxes every year, pay sales taxes to Utah, I vote, and am an American citizen. I'll complain all I want, because I have been paying for the right to complain since I was 14, when I started working part time and became a taxpayer.
And I'll still pay to fish at Strawberry, Scofield, etc. and give my hard earned money to a management company that isn't even headquartered in Utah. i'm not sure how much they keep but it's too much. And I'll also continue to pay at Utah State Parks the outrageous fees that are charged for day use.

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Re: [BearLakeFishGuy] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
BearLakeFishGuy wrote:
Joni,
I know you pretty well, but one of the things that really gets under my skin is when people complain about Utah and then say how ID has better fishing for less money, blah, blah, blah. If its so good, then move to ID or quit yer' complainin'! The reservoirs/lakes you speak of are either privately owned so they can charge whatever they would like or the ramps are privately owned on a public water and they can charge whatever they would like too. Its no one in particular's fault that this happens, but if I personally owned a launch area on a lake, I would charge a trespass fee to launch too. Just rattlin' your cage a bit.

You know, what gets under my skin, is to "reply to a post by someone else -complaining" about something or other with a legitimate question or comment and be singled out. Specially clear back at post #8 out of 44
Every one on here was complaining, but MY post got under your skin, amazing.
Consider the cage questionably rattled.





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(This post was edited by flygoddess on May 5, 2012, 9:25 PM)

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Re: [TubeDude] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
The only reason I will miss my diesel is my gasser doesn't blow black smoke nearly as well as the diesel did. For the record, I would love to see the State change the registration laws on electric motors at least, possibly 9 hp and under even. It gets a little ridiculous paying registration fees annually on,travel trailer, boat, atv's, snowmobiles, boat trailer, I have a small rowboat I'd love to use an electric motor on, I refuse to pay one more annual tax which is total BS.

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Re: [submoa] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
CoolI don't have all those toys but I do have a couple of motorized float tubes. I can give you a big AMEN on your frustrations.

I have been in business for many years and have been a lifelong PCV evaluator...price vs cost vs value. Price is the amount we must pay to acquire something. Cost is what happens if we make a bad buying decision. Value is what we get if derive a benefit greater than the price.

On the PCV meter the fees for licensing small water craft is definitely an unjustifiable cost. Just because we put a (taxed) battery and motor on a small craft does not automatically result in more expense for the state...or make it any different than it was before. All it does is create an excuse for the state to extract more money from us and to exert more control...and to justify the jobs held by the clerks and doofuses who push the papers around and make us jump through hoops. Big brotherism at its finest.

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Re: [submoa] Heads up about PV!! In reply to
Well if it was left up to some people on this thread, if you also have a bicycle, you would have to register that as well.

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