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Re: [Loufly] Question for anyone? In reply to
 
(This post was edited by sdhuntandfish on Jun 6, 2012, 10:00 PM)

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Re: [sdhuntandfish] Question for anyone? In reply to
Nope, not geared towards you or anyone in particular for that matter. Bmarsh had noted that the thread hadn't gone down hill, so I pushed it over the side. I did intend to tick someone off, but not insult a single person, just in general. I honestly only have a problem with illegal introduction and outside pressure on Idaho issues. I was stating that eventually some one will take things into their own hands as we have all seen many times before.
Idaho is a come and play state by many people who have financial influence and those of us who live here and will die here are stuck with whatever mess we are handed.
sdhuntandfish--(Not that you or anyone else needs my permission), you are welcome here. I am glad you like it here because I wouldn't live anywhere else. Please keep giving your 2 cents to cancel out my nonsense.

Loufly

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Re: [sdhuntandfish] Question for anyone? In reply to
sdhuntandfish wrote:
And I will agree with you that "Bucket Biologists" benefit nobody.

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F&g use to do a great job stocking fish in all the creeks 20 years ago you could go to any creek east of I.F. and catch BIG browns/brookies rainbows. Now their heads are swelled up thinking cutts are the only fish and thats all they plant in the creeks. Then they make it so you cant keep any cutts. in any creek. You can catch them and kill them but you cant keep them.If you are an adult and can fly fish great but if you wont to take a kid fishing they have to use bait and that means DEAD fish! and disapointment for the youngsters. Gee wonder why less kids wont to go fishing????? Their responce to me was Ryder pond. Who what a great outing camp with 80 plus people walking around a 200 foot pond watching car go by man that is not taking a kid fishing to me .And they WONT get excited about fishing and continue fishing. The native cutts what a joke!!!! They have been gone for years every cutt. you catch you can follow it back to a hatchery. Quite killing the rainbows (wasting the sportmans money we give them to pay so called fisherman to clame a bounty is this what we wont f&g to do with our funds???? Think about it!!! JUST MY 2 cents.MadMad

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that last post was the greatest problem with f&g and they whine they don't have enough money in the budget... they need somebody in there that understands where the money should go too keep fisheries healthy and fisherman going too them which interns brings in more money for this state and the f&g, now i'm all for you trout guys and the other side, but i'm on the other side, trout suck, they don't fight much and they don't eat good at all, what's the point in catching a trout? half the time they die as soon as you touch them I swear, but I think some of the crappie, perch, and a few other baitfish populations will go up down alittle more often with the walleye in there but everyone here has had great opinions about the subject..... I would like too see Jumbo perch put in more waters, and as far as the stunting, well that has too do with the habitat in the lake and food availability.... but i'm no expert... but I try...Sly
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Re: [D_Luck] Question for anyone? In reply to
I majored as a fisheries biologist even tho I didn't end up as one. To answer your question, walleye are like wolves and most other species of fish are like the sheep or you could say walleye are like foxes and other fish are like chickens. Wolves have very hungry appetites and so do walleyes. Walleyes in the Snake is akin to putting a fox in a hen house. Who do you think is going to win in the end? The fox will be fat and happy but no one else will have a chicken dinner either. Now don't get me wrong. My wife and I love to eat walleye and I love catching them, but they have a tendency to eat themselves out of house and home and there are very few chickens---er fish--- left when they are done.

Now a little fisheries biology is in order. The walleye evolved naturally in the Great Lakes and Mississippi and associated river systems. Here the yellow perch was present too. Yellow perch spawn thousands of eggs and walleye do a good job of keeping the perch population down. Idaho's native fish are trout and only spawn hundreds of eggs.
In the end you have many more foxes (walleye) than prey--chickens (trout). Yes there many other types of fish for the walleye to eat but that is missing the point. The point is this is trout country and not walleye and perch and pike country like the Dakotas are.

At Salmon Falls Reservoir in Idaho the Idaho Department of Fish and Game has to plant trout over eight inches so the walleye do not eat them before they can be caught. Fingerling trout planted there are eagerly eaten by the walleye and a waste of valuable dollars paid by fishermen through their fishing license fees. Hope this helps answer your question. GO WALLEYE!!!- but only in the correct invironment.

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Re: [drowning_flys] Question for anyone? In reply to
The lower Columbia does have walleye. Washing state fisheries biologist did just what is being discussed right now in this forum. Along came a flood year and washed walleye out of the Pot Hole Lakes located on the Columbia River rim. Now besides squaw fish (pikeminnows) chomping down on salmon smolts, we now have walleye adding to the slaughter. One more reason why the salmon population of the Northwest is challenged.

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jacksonlaker, there is one reason why walleye exist in the river drainage that the Windriver drains into, that being is it dumps into the Missouri drainage which has a native population of walleye. Western Wyoming has trout as its native species because it is tributary to the Columbia River which is trout habitat. Central and eastern Wyoming drains into the Missouri drainage which is walleye, catfish and other warm water native habitat.

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Re: [DeeCee] Question for anyone? In reply to
Thank you!!! Every species has its place and Idaho is the place for trout, not walleye. I don't have anything against them, I just don't like the attitude that F&G doesn't know what they are doing and mass introduction of walleye won't hurt anything. DeeCee, keep the facts coming, opinions like mine sometimes have no merit. Can't argue with facts.Cool

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Re: [DeeCee] Question for anyone? In reply to
DeeCee...

Not trying to get into a pissing match with you at all on this subject but totally disagree with the walleye to wolf comparison! Mad Coyotes perhaps, but not wolves. Muskie, pike and lakers are more like wolves!

Walleye are an extremely opportunistic and addaptive preadator, as seen by there distribution across the US. They are successful in keying on on numerous prey species whether on/near structure or in open water. They are however very dependent on the environment they inhabit. They are a cool water species. Not a warm water or a cold water species.

With this in mind, however, there are NUMEROUS bodies of water that trout and walleye coexist with many other species. The Columbia and tributaries (which includes the lower Snake), the Missouri and tributaries all the way up by Helena, the Great Lakes and their tributaries, etc... To say that an imaginary line that determines a state boudary is what should indicate what fish species live where is unbelieveable.

With your background in fisheries, you of all people should understand that the MOST significant factor in any YOY yearclass is the environmental factors. This is a proven fact. Many spawners with crappy conditions can mean a miserable yearclass just as easy as a small population of spawners can produce a bumper crop if all conditions are perfect. In addition, many species are cyclic by nature. There are going to be highs and lows.

I respect your previous comments but believe you are missing the mark a bit.

Paul

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Re: [DeeCee] Question for anyone? In reply to
Thanks DeeCee. That is the reasoning as I understand it as well. We just don't need a fox in any of our hen houses that support viable trout and salmon populations. In lakes where there are controls and other species don't do so well or the lakes don't feed to our river systems . . . maybe.

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Re: [DeeCee] Question for anyone? In reply to
DeeCee wrote:
. Along came a flood year and washed walleye out of the Pot Hole Lakes located on the Columbia River rim.

got a link? some of the largest walleye i have ever caught came out of soda, moses, and a few other pot holes lakes





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Re: [kochanut] Question for anyone? In reply to
It's been interesting to hear everyone's view on this, I sent F&G an email asking them about if they have looked into or considered walleye in CJ Strike, five days and still no reply.

It seems keeping Idaho streams and creeks trophy trout waters is the main concern here...

Walleye don't live in creeks.

ID and eastern WA and western MT are not very different. The Walleye have the snake surrounded. How can the Columbia river be a warm water fishery and the Snake be cold? I agree with the post of cool water as this is accurate for the inland NW in general.

Go up the Columbia and catch ten or so walleye and fry them babies up, after that go catch some nice rainbows in the same body of water trolling wedding rings, or go to a creek that feeds into the Columbia.

It is that way and it's awesome

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Re: [D_Luck] Question for anyone? In reply to
Agree so much D Luck! Walleye do not fare well in the pristine, cold water environments that are home to the almighty trout. I have heard of Walleyes being caught in the Columbia system for more than 25 years. During this time, there has not been any proliferation into the Deschutes, John day, Umatilla, White Salmon, Sandy, Klickitat, Hood and on and on... Just not the right habitat for them to thrive in.

We need to keep in mind that if we could only fish for native species in Idaho, we would not be able to fish for brook trout, brown trout, walleyes, yellow perch, blugill, crappie, smallmouth bass, largemouth bass, bullhead, channel catfish, flathead catfish, carp and others. In addition, the numbers of lakes, ponds, streams, creeks and rivers that we would be able to chase the natives would be far fewer than we know today.

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Re: [D_Luck] Question for anyone? In reply to
I am not going to argue this one way or the other. I have an opinion, and it is just that ..... an opinion. I love catching fish.....of all kinds in many different places.

What I do want to say is how much I enjoy Idaho fishing. How many other places can you live and fish for the species we have within an easy day's drive. We have it great! So many states only have just warm water fish or just cold water fish. We have a great mix of species available to us over a vast area.

In a relatively short drive from my house, I can fish for sturgeon, salmon, steelhead, tiger muskie, kokanee, bass, walleye, crappy, perch, catfish, bluegill, grayling, trout (imported or native), and so many others I can't list them all. I even enjoy catching what others would consider trash fish.

Not all of them are in the same body of water, but that is a good thing. I like the variety of going different places and using different techniques. Plus some waters work better for some fish than others.

Choosing the species to use in a lake is a complicated process that involves a very delicate balance. For whatever reason, it doesn't always work out. There are a lot of failures along with the successes.

Lakes and waters that connect to others, such as a whole river system are even harder. Would it be a good thing for the whole system? Will it crash another population of fish that are doing well? For one species to do well, it frequently means that another, that is also important, will decline.

Now I've done it! I want to go fishing, and I don't have time today!!!!! CrazyCrazy

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psanders 71
I truly appreciated your reply to my comment! Obviously you have done your homework and really thought things out. I wish there were more people who took the time to study the facts you and I have learned. You strike me as an intelligent person who knows what he is talking about. However, I might clarify my comments further. You are right when you say walleye (and I might add yellow perch) are cool water fish.
However, I still stand by my term of "wolf" for walleye, because of their voracious apatite for other fish. You can identify your really predatory fish species who predominantly prey on other fish by the larger teeth they possess. Those teeth are there to grab and hold they fish prey until they can position it to swallow it.Pike, walleye, yellow perch, musky, largemouth and smallmouth bass and lake and brook trout are classic examples. The opposite is true when you look at true trout (this varies of course) as opposed to the char (brook trout, lake trout and others). The brown trout and Lahontan and Bear Lake cutthroats are more like coyotes. In Idaho, Salmon Falls Reservoir is a classic example of the point you make where walleye and trout can live together successfully. However certain dynamics have to be put in place for it to successfully work. The trout stocked there are put in at eight inches. If they were fingerlings, they would be walleye food and expensive food at that since continuing diminishing sportsman dollars are paying to raise these trout. Of course the walleye have suckers, yellow perch, crappie and I believe bass to feed on at Salmon Falls which is a must for the walleye to survive and do well there. Oakley Reservoir is another reservoir where walleye are doing great as they have a good forage base. You are right when you talk about year classes of fish being weal or strong etc. Now the point I make. Someone has illegally stocked walleye in Ririe Reservoir several miles due east of Idaho Falls. This is an extremely and selfish and uneducated act. If the walleye escape into the South Fork of the Snake River they will greatly diminish if not destroy a world class cutthroat fishery that brings in much needed tourism and sportsman dollars. Those out of state fishing dollars support you and mine and other fisherman's opportunities to enjoy expanded fishing opportunities. In addition, we don't need more cutthroat trout disappearing from their native habitat or the Federal Government will put them on the Endangered Species protection list which means restricted fishing rules and land owners use restrictions. In addition walleye will go downstream and migrate up the Salmon River into another sensitive fisheries of cutthroat and white sturgeon habitat and wreak havic. This doesn't mean that walleye are bad or evil, just not in the right or intelligent environment. I still love to catch and eat walleye but we all have to look at the bigger picture and consider other people's opportunities too. In closing you haven't offended me. It takes much more to do that. I appreciate your comments. I hope you will participate and comment more. We need them. Thanks.

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Re: [Loufly] Question for anyone? In reply to
Loufly, thank you. Hope something I said was helpful without offending the walleye fans. Walleye are great fish--in the right environment that is. Most of Idaho is not the right environment.

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kochanut, sorry I don't have a link. I read the" flood year with walleye escaping into the Columbia River" in and old fashion magazine article. You might try Googling Walleye + Pothole lakes + Columbia River to find something about walleye escaping into the Columbia River.

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