I agree cliffs area you need to be in that 11 foot area. Had some fellow fishers staying at the cabin that fished that area with a 10 lber being had, but more to the south.
I did my best in the past at Staleys springs, 5 feet.
I think it is the different areas, but I like the deeper water too normally. Just pressed for time this trip.
It is a lot easier to catch them these days however, in my opinion. There are masses of them. Ice fishing should be awesome.
Some things are better left alone, Even though, some feel they know better.