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     Re: [TroutMan93] Almost broke a record! In reply to
The shows you watch are called spear HUNTING not fishing..Fishing the fish has to take the bait or lure that is on the line..
Spear hunting is like hunting for deer or elk YOU SHOT them not fish for them..

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     Re: [gmwahl] Almost broke a record! In reply to
They do make a BIG impact on the game fish that is why most of the other states out law it on game fish..
Look at what happen at Fish Lake and Jordanelle..

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     Re: [bassrods] Almost broke a record! In reply to
Finally we can agree on something Laugh. I was about to say that in the rac meeting but I knew the spear hunter group would put a big fit if I opened my mouth of those words.


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     Re: [bassrods] Almost broke a record! In reply to
Please enlighten me as to what has happened at fish lake and jordanelle. I've seen no studies on it published by biologists, I've only heard opinions. Are you suggesting that a handful of divers were able to shoot all the big bass out of jordanelle? I am no math scholar, but I can't see how they could reach the numbers necessary to clean out the trophy population given the small numbers of spearfisherman. I've done plenty of bass fishing on jordanelle up till about 4 years ago and I've only once seen a couple of guys spear fishing. Hardley enough pressure to make even a tiny dent in the population. I've dived around smallmouths just to look at them (I don't spear fish), and it's very challenging to get within what I assume is shooting range.

Nope, I'm afraid I don't buy into the argument that it is affecting the population of big bass, there is probably a real reason like over population, stunting, prey base, etc....

I also don't think because other states do something or have their own regs on spearfishing that we should let that affect the way OUR state fisheries are handled and managed. Our biologists are well educated and know their craft, but unfortunately the squeaky wheels in our state won't get the heck out of their way and let them do their jobs, which is to provide and manage a diverse fishery that the greatest number of people can enjoy and not bow to the will of the redneck biologists that many of us certainly try our hands at becoming on this forum.

I, for one, am thrilled that the chance to spearfish for gamefish exists in our fine state and that it can provide quality fish for the spearfisherman. My hat is off to the DWR for the job they do. Its a thankless job for most of them and they seem to catch a bunch of guff for doing it. There are still big ones to be had by the angler, but the easy days of jordanelle went with the mentality of not keeping bass. Too many fish means not enough room for the big ones. Pretty simple really.
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     Re: [gmwahl] Almost broke a record! In reply to
If there's to many of the dinks why not increase the limit so the spear hunter can kill the dinks for us then Crazy.


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     Re: [Flyfishinglover] Almost broke a record! In reply to
I think the fish and game is addressing that issue just fine by requesting anglers to keep fish, but there is no way spearfisherman are going to put a dent in the population of small fish. Think of it this way, pick the 10 best bass fisherman that you know and challenge them to catch and keep a limit every outing for at least a dozen outings. What impact could they possibly make?
The answer is 720 small bass harvested from a population of several hundred thousands to a few million. Seems quite unlikely to me that if 10 spearfisherman tried the same thing that they could be as successful and if they were that is the only impact they could make in a year (assuming those guys were able to make 12 outings). Statistically insignificant.

Lets all try thinking of this thing logically instead of emotionally. Anti hunting is emotionally and not logically supported and imagine how most of us on this forum would feel if hunting were banned just because it upsets a minority of our population.

Oh, and regarding your question? Why don't YOU keep and kill the dinks and help out the fishery? They taste great!
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     Re: [Flyfishinglover] Almost broke a record! In reply to
You're good at catching the minnows and dinks, why haven't you been keeping them?

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     Re: [gmwahl] Almost broke a record! In reply to
There is A TV show called Hook & Look that dive and their show is all about fish under water, I talked to them about one of there shows where the Sm bass was right in the faces of the divers and they had to push them away..

They said that the easiest fish of all was the Small mouth bass to film cause they will swim up to any diver if that diver sets or holds still..And the bigger the bass the more they will come at the diver..

And as we all know the regs. and laws have been changed on both bodies of water cause of what happened with the spearing of fish..

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Bassrods likes to fish for bass using Mojo lures and Weights, and Parasite Weights.
Practice CPR...Catch, Photograph and Release.
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     Re: [bassrods] Almost broke a record! In reply to
I have weigh in on this issue. I both spearfish and fish with a pole here in Utah. I am a former member of BASS and fished a number of regional tournaments in my younger years. I will try to be as brutally honest as possible. 1. Having spoken to DNR numerous times, including their RACmeetings, the conclusion of their biologist is that spearfishing is having almost ZERO impact on game fishing in Utah. Why? There are less than 150active spearfisher man in Utah, the sport is very physically demanding so most of the spearfishing occurs between 10-20 feet, and if you canít see under water at least 6-10 feet underwater, you can hit any fish. Now in contrast, spearfisherman donít haveDownScan Imaging, Side Scan Imaging, a Ranger Bass Boat with underwater video,etcÖ.Next, with few exceptions, the fish donít stand around waiting to be hit with a spear. They are typically very warring,depending on the species, and can be difficult to hit. Think of it from this perspective, ifspearfishing were having such a negative impact on bass fishing in Utah, why is the limit for smallmouth at 30 on Powell, no limit on walleye at Powell and nolimit on strippers at Powell? Spearfishing is legal at Willard Bay, but how many of you are having a hard time catching fish their? My point is that there are too many unqualified assumptions and conclusions being made about the impact of spearfishing in Utah. Remember, high school math Correlation[/b] does not imply causation. The fact that the bass fisherman are having reduced catches, as they state, doesnít mean the source of the issue is the spearfisherman. It is simply not a valid conclusion that DNR either supports or agrees with. You think Iím wrong? Go to a RAC meeting and ask them directly. But, Iíll already have attended several of the meetings, and Iíve given you their answer.[/b][/size]
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     Re: [gmwahl] Almost broke a record! In reply to
Well I actually talked to the bass club member from Utah at the Rac meeting and they were at Starvation the same day as this guys was and he told me that the bass club couldn't catch anything bigger then 12" and they do contest in other states in FLW,, ect.


When ever I catch the smaller guys I do keep my limit of them if there over 14" I let them go.


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     Re: [albinotrout] Almost broke a record! In reply to
Well albino for the matter of fact the dink master does keep the dinky bass from 8-12".


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     Re: [steeltalon] Almost broke a record! In reply to
Well??? You say the DWR has says or the biologist say there is almost ZERO impact on game fish???

If so why did the Rac and the DWR change the laws on some of the lakes and are NOT letting the spear Hunter on other waters as well??

And you say the spear Hunters don't do no wrong or hurt the fish?? I say they do.First off they KILL off every big fish they spear by hunting the fish down..Fisherman go after fish with hook and line and the fish have to eat or take the bait or lure..

Poachers may snag them or net them shot them with guns spears oh sorry you spear them..
And if spear hunters don't hurt or kill off the bigger game fish why is it that every fish they spear is dead?? At least when fishing the fisherman can release the fish if they want to..How does the spear hunters release fish so that will live??

How many big fish are caught by fisherman each day of fishing??
And you say you bass fished in tournaments??
If so how many of the bass that was caught was released??
How many of the fish gets released when the spear hunters hold a tournament??

And you want us to be leave spear hunters don't hurt the fishery..

You're group wants us to open up all lakes so they can shot the fish? Next will be the bow hunters and why not let people snag the fish or use dynamite or guns to kill the fish with, I'm sure any of them will not hurt the fishery's as well..

What a bucket of worms..

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Bassrods likes to fish for bass using Mojo lures and Weights, and Parasite Weights.
Practice CPR...Catch, Photograph and Release.
Utah state C&R record 23.5"
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     Re: [Flyfishinglover] Almost broke a record! In reply to
I've never cared one way or the other, but just because Clifford and Durka-Durk are anti-spear fishing, I am all for it.

In fact, I think I'll spear a few pigs at Sand Hollow this weekend in their honor.
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     Re: [bassrods] Almost broke a record! In reply to
In answer to your questions:
1. DNR allowed spear fisherman a series of lakes based:
a. A need to reduce some invasive species. For example, there is no limit on walleye on Lake Powell because of the negative effect that species is having on trout fishing in the Green River.
b. There is soon to be a proposal to allow spearfishing on Utah Lake for Northern Pike. Why? DNR gill netting are noticing the Pike are reproducing more than expected and might negatively effect the endangered Utah Lake chub population.
DNR stopped spearfishing on Jordanelle because the biologist cannot figure out why the fishery isn't doing very well. Frankly, it is really irrelevant. The water is not clear enough to spearfish anyway.
c. As you probably read, spearfishing isn't allowed during spawning season for bass in most Utah Lakes.

I never told you spearfisherman don't make mistakes. I know of two spearfisherman who have been turned in to DNR this last year by other spearfisherman for violating the law.

The touroments that I was in were at Lake Mead and lakes in Arizona. Frankly, we ended up taking the fish home because we didn't the ability to keep them alive as they do in national BASS tournoments. That was in the 70s and 80s.

Personally, I saw a larger small mouth at Starvation this Spring. Did I shoot him? No! However, I will tell you where he and several of his friends were. It was late April right next the dam. They were in the shade of the concrete wall. The largest was easily 6-8 pounds.

Spearfishman are not asking for the opening up of all the lakes. Frankly, some of your prized lakes are simply too murky to see in front of my face. DNR has proposed opening several other lakes/streams with the intent of spearfisherman being able to go after invasive species.

When spearfisherman hold a tournament, it is typically for carp or some other invasive species. I understand your frustration, but I will be candid and tell you that I regularly see large small mouth and large mouth on a variety of lakes over the last summer. Do you fish Deer Creek?

Lastly, I don't like the taste of bass, so I rarely shoot one and I know that guys like you are concerned about it.
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     Re: [steeltalon] Almost broke a record! In reply to
We thank you for your point of view. It is nice to get info from both sides of the aisle. Cliff isn't going to be able to respond to your post for a few days. Again thanks for posting.Cool

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     Re: [albinotrout] Almost broke a record! In reply to
My intent isn't to create tension or anger, but I can tell from some of the responses that there is simply a lot of misconceptions and biases about the causes and effects of spear fishing in our state. I've been to a number of RAC meetings where DNR had to re-enforce to the fisherman present why a number of lakes are struggling to maintain their bio mass of bass, trout, etc...The answers are never spearfishing. The answers are typically fisherman NOT taking home the fish they catch, disease, invasive species, etc....
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     Re: [steeltalon] Almost broke a record! In reply to
It seems like one of the biggest arguments for spear fishing is that "there are not enough spear fishermen to make much of a dent". Well if spear fishing catches on, and thousands of people start doing it, we can go ahead and ban it completely.



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     Re: [FishMcFisherson] Almost broke a record! In reply to

I see your point, but let me explain a few concepts andideas:



1. There is no state, unless you know otherwise,where that phenomena has occurred. Spearfishing iscurrently allowed in most of the surrounding states of Utah.

I donít think spearfishing will catch on as you describe forseveral reasons:

Physical Demands-I would submit to you that because of theextreme physical requirements on the human body to be effective atspearfishing, that eliminates a lot people right there who are not going toeven try spearfishing. They would muchrather relax and use their rod. That is not a dig, just an observation from somebody who both fishes with a kayak and spearfishes in Utah.

Fear-Some people are simply afraid of holding their breath for30-60 seconds and diving down 20-30 feet in a semi-murky area of a lake. The sport isnít for the faint of heart.

I think fisherman in general consistently have thisimpression that some how you go spearfishing and you suddenly become a magnetfor fish or you can see for a 100 yards. I have spearfished many times at Causey, Deer Creek, or Starvation wherea guy in a boat or tube was able to catch the fish and I caught nothing, ZERO with myspeargun. For example, I notice you have a tube. I was a Deer Creek in the Spring. Several guys were using their tubes near the island and landing trout from about 40 feet. First, I don't go that deep. Second, trout are incredibly difficult to hit because of the width and speed of movement underwater. I rarely hit them.

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     Re: [steeltalon] Almost broke a record! In reply to
I'm BACK!!!!
You seem to talk in code??You say Lake Powell and then you talk about Waleye in the Green River, you talk about spearing in Utah Lake for Pike then you talk about lakes that you can't see past your face???

Do you know what you are even talking about??

Many on here know about what happen at Fish Lake, and what I am talking about with Jordanelle and if the spear hunters could still hunt the bass during the spawn..
I don't think you will get any support on this site..

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Bassrods likes to fish for bass using Mojo lures and Weights, and Parasite Weights.
Practice CPR...Catch, Photograph and Release.
Utah state C&R record 23.5"
Tight lines....
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     Re: [bassrods] Almost broke a record! In reply to
Cliff, do YOU know what you're talking about? Where is your proof to back up all your claims? You're nothing but an armchair biologist taking a stab at why your large bass at Jordanelle and other waters are gone. If you're so unhappy with the DWR, the small bass in Utah, the spear fishermen, sell the house, pack up the stationwagon and boat and move to Florida to fufill you need for large bass.
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     Re: [bassrods] Almost broke a record! In reply to
Cliff,

No need for you to be concerned. The offending picture that started this whole thread is of a black bass.

Regards,

Drew
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     Re: [albinotrout] Almost broke a record! In reply to
Hey mods...how long do we have to keep reading (or skipping over) this drivel.

In before the lock...I hope.

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     Re: [TubeDude] Almost broke a record! In reply to
Amen


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     Re: [DeadI] Almost broke a record! In reply to
Nicely done!
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