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The First Assault-on the River.
Floated the Green below the Gorge today in the new NFO Assault. All went well except for one little hitch. It compares very similar to the Renegade, as expected.

The most noticeable difference on the water was the lower profile of the pontoons. With the bags in place, I had more room to cast without needing to elevate my elbows as I often did in the Renegade. I just had more casting freedom. The 5-foot standard oars seemed to "fit" and work fine on the Assault, presumably because the boat is narrower and lower than the Renegade.

The maneuverability in current was pretty amazing. I put that little thing behind every rock and in every eddy on my track on the A section. I parked it behind boulders in the middle of some of the rapids. It was like a little inflatable kayak. I ran right down the center of all the rapids and stayed mostly dry, drier than in the Renegade. River was up (around 2600 cfs), so the current was strong nearly everywhere. However, I had little trouble slowing the boat down a little to cast hoppers to the bank and into eddies all the way down. It was A LOT more maneuverable with the fins than the Renegade. Straight-line speed-wise though, it seemed about equal, both with the oars, and with the fins.

It's definitely a smaller boat though. I found this out the hard way a little ways down the river when I had the bright idea to "test" out how fast of water I could anchor in.Unsure It hung on in some pretty fast current, but on one drop right down the center of the channel, the anchor got stuck between a rock and a rock, and it was not coming back. I did try to pull it, but I could only pull the stern down just inches from water coming over the top! I could not paddle the boat upstream of the anchor due to current speed (Rippin') I finally stopped trying, cut the rope as short as I could, and donated to the bottom structure of the river. It was either that, or swamp the thing.

I've had this happen a few times with the Renegade, but was always able to pull hard enough to free the anchor. The larger pontoons on the Renegade allowed for that because they are much harder to pull under. Not the Assault. Now I know!Laugh Prior to losing the thing, I did anchor in some respectable current without any problems. Just gotta know its limits, and thats one where the Renegade still wins.

NOTE: It is general river-wise knowledge not to anchor in very fast current. But sometimes I just need my boat in a certain spot to get a certain presentation to a certain fish I gotta have!

I also ended up liking the closed bow. It made the rapids a bit drier. It also gave me a place to lay down the rod straight in front of me, with the reel/handle in my lap. I found myself doing that without worrying about the tip dipping in the water like I did on the Renegade.

I also had concerns about landing fish with the closed bow. On the Renegade, I often led them right up to the foot rest in front of me. Not a problem on the Assault though. It was actually easier to get to the fish due to the smaller pontoons. I could net the larger ones, and just reach over with the hemostats on the regular "Green River wagglers."

Finally, I did not have any problems with getting in and out of the closed bow. In very shallow water or on the shore, it was easier because the step over the Assault pontoon is lower than the Renegade. In deeper water, I just picked up the bow, and moved the boat over my head instead of stepping over anything. Either way, it was as easy, or easier, than stepping over the Renegade. I did not miss being able to remove the foot brace on the Renegade to just walk out of it. Maybe I will, but not today.

So overall, I was most impressed with maneuverability. It danced anywhere I wanted it to go in the river with little effort. I liked the extra elbow room above the gear bags. The 5-foot oars worked pretty well. The closed front bow turns out to be a nice little luxury. And finally, and probably the biggest change for me over the Renegade--It fits nicely in the back of the truck fully inflated!

What could be better? It needs more D-rings like the Renegade has. The gear bags would ideally be back another 6-8 inches, like can be done with the Renegade. It also seems to ride a little stern-heavy, even after I lost the anchor. There is much more of the stern in the water, while the nose barely touches. I would move the seat and oars forward a little on the whole boat to even out the ride, but that's not how its built. I'm short, with short legs. Dave (the designer) is tall, and needs more front leg room. Other than that, It's a keeper!

And the fishing? Yes, it was fine. Foam hoppers and ants mostly. Size 12's, tan, for both. There were fish eating midges and small mayflies in most of the slower water, and along the banks in the afternoon. Caught some of those with a #18 para. adams. They all ate it. It was pretty easy fishing. Fish were 12-20 inches, mostly on the smaller side of that range. I only fished dries, and never went long between takes.

I'd still be down there if I hadn't lost that damn anchor!Blush
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Re: [Tarponjim] The First Assault-on the River. In reply to
Thanks for the report, the Assault sounds like a winner!

If your anchors have an attachment point at the bottom end, you can rig a 20-30# section of shock cord to the top. Then the anchors can more likely be retrieved as they are pulled back upside down when the shock cord breaks.

Pon

Tarponjim wrote:
Floated the Green below the Gorge today in the new NFO Assault. All went well except for one little hitch. It compares very similar to the Renegade, as expected.

The most noticeable difference on the water was the lower profile of the pontoons. With the bags in place, I had more room to cast without needing to elevate my elbows as I often did in the Renegade. I just had more casting freedom. The 5-foot standard oars seemed to "fit" and work fine on the Assault, presumably because the boat is narrower and lower than the Renegade.

The maneuverability in current was pretty amazing. I put that little thing behind every rock and in every eddy on my track on the A section. I parked it behind boulders in the middle of some of the rapids. It was like a little inflatable kayak. I ran right down the center of all the rapids and stayed mostly dry, drier than in the Renegade. River was up (around 2600 cfs), so the current was strong nearly everywhere. However, I had little trouble slowing the boat down a little to cast hoppers to the bank and into eddies all the way down. It was A LOT more maneuverable with the fins than the Renegade. Straight-line speed-wise though, it seemed about equal, both with the oars, and with the fins.

It's definitely a smaller boat though. I found this out the hard way a little ways down the river when I had the bright idea to "test" out how fast of water I could anchor in.Unsure It hung on in some pretty fast current, but on one drop right down the center of the channel, the anchor got stuck between a rock and a rock, and it was not coming back. I did try to pull it, but I could only pull the stern down just inches from water coming over the top! I could not paddle the boat upstream of the anchor due to current speed (Rippin') I finally stopped trying, cut the rope as short as I could, and donated to the bottom structure of the river. It was either that, or swamp the thing.

I've had this happen a few times with the Renegade, but was always able to pull hard enough to free the anchor. The larger pontoons on the Renegade allowed for that because they are much harder to pull under. Not the Assault. Now I know!Laugh Prior to losing the thing, I did anchor in some respectable current without any problems. Just gotta know its limits, and thats one where the Renegade still wins.

NOTE: It is general river-wise knowledge not to anchor in very fast current. But sometimes I just need my boat in a certain spot to get a certain presentation to a certain fish I gotta have!

I also ended up liking the closed bow. It made the rapids a bit drier. It also gave me a place to lay down the rod straight in front of me, with the reel/handle in my lap. I found myself doing that without worrying about the tip dipping in the water like I did on the Renegade.

I also had concerns about landing fish with the closed bow. On the Renegade, I often led them right up to the foot rest in front of me. Not a problem on the Assault though. It was actually easier to get to the fish due to the smaller pontoons. I could net the larger ones, and just reach over with the hemostats on the regular "Green River wagglers."

Finally, I did not have any problems with getting in and out of the closed bow. In very shallow water or on the shore, it was easier because the step over the Assault pontoon is lower than the Renegade. In deeper water, I just picked up the bow, and moved the boat over my head instead of stepping over anything. Either way, it was as easy, or easier, than stepping over the Renegade. I did not miss being able to remove the foot brace on the Renegade to just walk out of it. Maybe I will, but not today.

So overall, I was most impressed with maneuverability. It danced anywhere I wanted it to go in the river with little effort. I liked the extra elbow room above the gear bags. The 5-foot oars worked pretty well. The closed front bow turns out to be a nice little luxury. And finally, and probably the biggest change for me over the Renegade--It fits nicely in the back of the truck fully inflated!

What could be better? It needs more D-rings like the Renegade has. The gear bags would ideally be back another 6-8 inches, like can be done with the Renegade. It also seems to ride a little stern-heavy, even after I lost the anchor. There is much more of the stern in the water, while the nose barely touches. I would move the seat and oars forward a little on the whole boat to even out the ride, but that's not how its built. I'm short, with short legs. Dave (the designer) is tall, and needs more front leg room. Other than that, It's a keeper!

And the fishing? Yes, it was fine. Foam hoppers and ants mostly. Size 12's, tan, for both. There were fish eating midges and small mayflies in most of the slower water, and along the banks in the afternoon. Caught some of those with a #18 para. adams. They all ate it. It was pretty easy fishing. Fish were 12-20 inches, mostly on the smaller side of that range. I only fished dries, and never went long between takes.

I'd still be down there if I hadn't lost that damn anchor!Blush
Toon and a tad of porn attached.
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Re: [pontoonman] The First Assault-on the River. In reply to
pontoonman wrote:
Thanks for the report, the Assault sounds like a winner!

If your anchors have an attachment point at the bottom end, you can rig a 20-30# section of shock cord to the top. Then the anchors can more likely be retrieved as they are pulled back upside down when the shock cord breaks.

Pon

I've done that with claw-type anchors, but I use a round, studded anchor on my toon in the rivers. There's only one small eye for an attachment point. I could see it down there in the clear water, wedged right in the crack between two huge, square, boulders. I could have had a chance had I been able to get upstream of it, but there was just no way. Current too fast, water was about 8 feet deep.

I might could go in there and get it when the flow drops to 900 for the winter, but I don't think it'll be warm enough to swim by then!

I used to use that trick you're talking about with my anchors in salt water, only I'd use a zip-tie. When the anchor was stuck, I'd just use the outboard to break the zip tie, and bingo, anchor would come up "tail first."


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Re: [Tarponjim] The First Assault-on the River. In reply to
One of the better reports I have read in a while. So how is the two person assault different from what you have? How much did it set you back?
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Re: [orvis1] The First Assault-on the River. In reply to
I haven't looked at the two-person "in person," so not sure what its like. I got the little one for $1,000 with bags and oars.


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Re: [Tarponjim] The First Assault-on the River. In reply to
Fun stuff!!

When you are in the river do you keep your fins down in the water much or do you mostly have them up and use the oars?

The fishing sounds like it was good too!
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Re: [cpierce] The First Assault-on the River. In reply to
I wear the fins while floating runs and casting to the banks. I anchor on rising fish. When its good, I just float from riser to riser with the anchor, and leave the fins off. This new little boat zipped around awesome with fins! I prefer to cast at fish while standing up the best.i


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Re: [cpierce] The First Assault-on the River. In reply to
Just to clarify, I only wear the fins if I'm going to use them immediately. I have the Outcast fins, and they go on and off in under a minute. I don't wear them if I'm anchoring to cast, standing up to cast with the boat still around me, or getting out of the boat to walk/wade to fish. So, I only wear them between "spots", and then I have them in the water so I can control the boat and fish. I'll use them more with my new Assault!


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Re: [Tarponjim] The First Assault-on the River. In reply to
Great review Jim. Sounds like a great moving water boat.
I want to give the XX a whirl.
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Re: [mojorizing] The First Assault-on the River. In reply to
star a seat on the front of the XX and lets give it a whirl down the river. you can hold me when i get scared.... no homo





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kochanut wrote:
star a seat on the front of the XX and lets give it a whirl down the river. you can hold me when i get scared.... no homo
Joni or Bri is sitting in between us. No offense bud.
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Tarponjim

Nice review of the assault,, I almost bought that boat, but decided to go with the NFO rampage instead. Not sure if I made the right decision. I was looking through your pictures and it looks like you modified your seat on your assault. I was wondering what you did to beef up the seat? I can't tell from the pictures what you did. Can expalin to me what you did, and if you have more pictures that would be awesome too. I would like to make my seat more comfortable.

thanks

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Re: [BDawg] The First Assault-on the River. In reply to
I simply added a Therm-a-Rest seat on top of the existing seat, and strapped it in with two straps. I've always done with all my boat seats because, well, I need a soft seat. The back rest is higher too for when I'm just floating out at the end of a day. The Therma-Rest is closed-cell foam-filled, and the air pressure is adjustable. If you do overnighters, you already have your Therm-a-Rest sleeping pad too! Makes a great ground-level camp chair for around a campfire. I have a few of 'em!

Here's what it looks like, available most anywyere Therm-a-Rest products are sold. You can just buy the chair kit if you already have the pads. LINK


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(This post was edited by Tarponjim on Sep 29, 2011, 11:22 AM)
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Re: [Tarponjim] The First Assault-on the River. In reply to
Jim, I caught the bug as well....not going to hi jack your wonderful post, just sayin'




Review after this weekend.



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you guys got one?





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Re: [flygoddess] The First Assault-on the River. In reply to
That looks sweet! Like the color too. Dave has a winner with these new things.

Now I need him to make one just like it that's big enough for two people and my dog! Maybe about a 12-13 footer, frameless.

I still believe in free speech and open conversations--no such silly thing as a hijacked post!

Will watch for the review.


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Re: [Tarponjim] The First Assault-on the River. In reply to
YES!!!! A 12-13' er for sure...what do you bet the XXX is in the works??????? I don't know, just thinking out loud.

I did see a picture of a Rampage which is about the same length, where the owner put a seat on the back bend and his son rode back there.



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????




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Re: [macfly55] The First Assault-on the River. In reply to
If you look at this boat with the two frames, notice the cloth seat (same that we have) strapped to the bend in the back.

http://www.northforkoutdoors.com/2011catalog/page9.html

A guy in Washington did this on his Rampage.

One difference I noticed right of the bat, is with the diameter of the toons being smaller on the Assault, the sides are not as high up. In fact, it is just a few inches shy of being level. You notice that Jim?

I mean, like on the Renegade and the Rampage, the seat/floor area is set down between the toons forming a bowl sort of in the back. The Assault is very shallow.
Not that it matters much, but I am thinking a harness at all times on Baxter.



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The reason for my ???? was to ask if you had gotten one?? :-)

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What can I sayBlush Yes, we have ONE XX. I still have my Blue Renegade that TD took very good care of. It does seem to be having PVC withdrawal...maybe just the glue, I don't knowCrazy



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:-)




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Yes, I did notice the lower pontoons immediately. I liked that myself. It made the shorter oars "fit" better, and all the over-the-side fishing easier. I like the shorter distance between the seat and top of the pontoons. It gives me more elbow room than I had in the Renegade. I like the lower profile.


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What can I sayBlush Yes, we have ONE XX. I still have my Blue Renegade that TD took very good care of. It does seem to be having PVC withdrawal...maybe just the glue, I don't knowCrazy

well I guess you better get busy with the PVC then. Tongue Got to get rid of those withdrawals.

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What can I sayBlush Yes, we have ONE XX. I still have my Blue Renegade that TD took very good care of. It does seem to be having PVC withdrawal...maybe just the glue, I don't knowCrazy

CoolSorry. No glue used in the PVC fabrication. Just small screws. Maybe it's another kind of withdrawal. I know the feeling.

I gotta say that your purty little craft seemed to wear her white "tiaras" proudly. Mighta even heard a whimper or two when I took them back.