Fishing

Well, folks, our resident "bucket biologist" has become infamous for his notorious minnow transportation escapade.

From the tone of the article, he is being blamed for illegal introductions into all of Utah's waters. Shame on you Slayerace.

LINK TO ARTICLE

Sorry. I don't mean to make light of a serious situation. As we have pretty clearly established on this board...A BAJILLION TIMES...we do not condone illegal transport or introduction of any species into any waters.

Bummer to get whacked for having some minnow survivors in your aquarium though. Another case of "spirit of the law" vs "letter of the law".

I think it's extremely obvious that slayerace decieved many of you on this board. I feel sorry for all those that defended him. He said many times he didn't have intentions of keeping those fish alive, yet when a CO showed up at his home he found 6 of them still in his aquarium!!! He lied to all of us, and put our fisheries in danger!

from the article: "Anglers need to help the state battle bucket biologists and not whine about it when fellow anglers are caught breaking the law."

Nice job DWR. Nice job Prettyman.



I couldn't help it. It just popped in there.
Dr. Raymond Stantz

Letter of the law, my A$@, he wasn't very smart to keep them in an aquarium after he knew people had reported it to the DWR. If you break the law, don't let people know unless you plan on getting busted. The fine should have been much more for the potential damage it could have done.
inspirational lyrics and melodious sonnets can save the world one person at a time-- Michael Bolton.

Hmmm...he has six fish swimming in his aquarium? The guy obviously lied...I wonder how many other things he lied about? Could his intentions have actually been to transport those fish somewhere else?

Where are the supporters now? Do you guys want to split his fine as well?
inspirational lyrics and melodious sonnets can save the world one person at a time-- Michael Bolton.

You've had your say. No need to try and instigate things. Glad you stopped by to grace our forum. Did you smell the blood?

GUILTY of Poor Judgement, as I see it. But you guys are just aching to pick the scabs. Go holier than thou each other somewhere else.

I think this publicity has been good, and the guy got what he deserved. I hope we all learned from this board and the article. Good Job, Brett.

Now lets all move on, nothing to see here folks.....

No need to get defensive there, I just remember WandB and PBH getting the wrath of many because they disagreed with the "it's just an accident" B.S. And no, the blood was smelled by the DWR knocking at his door. That's all the comment I have, rest in peace.
inspirational lyrics and melodious sonnets can save the world one person at a time-- Michael Bolton.

So who is going to give the DWR their ticket for their illegal bucket biology.

John

Many men go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after. -- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

I did not "defend" the wrongful actions. I simply suggested that the point had been made...over and over...and that it did not need to be belabored. I probably would have been better off not to even post the link to the article, if everyone is going to use it as "I told you so" and start the debate all over again.

The article clearly proves that those of us who tried to protect slayerace from the seemingly overzealous hostility were in fact misinformed (lied to) ourselves. But, it is done, over with, kaput, finished, history. And, as with all things, we need to pay attention to history. It is a good teacher.

Good intentions are not enough. Being a nice guy in a bad situation is not enough. The law is the law and there are no exceptions. If one ignores the law, or blatantly violates the law, there are consequences. "Oopsie" is not a viable defense.

I'll agree dude was wrong, and after what went on on the boards a few weeks back when this thing started he didn't freeze the minnows, well a citation was deserved. I still don't see how six minnows in an aquarium equates to fisheries in mortal danger.

I have never met Slayracer, but if he pays his dues with the court, and he's normally an upstanding fisherman besides this one incident I would be happy to share a strech of water with him.

"There are those fish that operate within the bounds of the law and those that operate outside of it. These fish are Carp. For Carp the law is inadequate and they must be punished!!!" - The Carp Punisher

Carpman -- There's an old saying: "It just takes two"

It's all about potential.

Have you ever noticed the turtles along the Provo River, or Utah Lake? Where'd they come from? Someone's home aquarium.


I too have never met Slayer. I'm sure he is a good person. I want to think that his intentions were innocent. That's most likely why he was given only a $185 fine, vs. a felony charge of intent to distribute.

I think that the DWR did a good thing with this situation. They have shown that they do take bucket biology seriously, and will not tolerate people moving live fish around in this state, whethere they intend to distribute them or not. Hopefully, this one situation has prevented others from happening. That's the positive that needs to come from all of this.

As for sharing a stretch of water with others -- my waters are always open for company.



I couldn't help it. It just popped in there.
Dr. Raymond Stantz

The same reason the fishery in the Yellowstone Lake drainage is in mortal danger...because six little fishies can multiply into thousands and even millions and all it takes is two to wreck everything.

Is there an underground river system leading from this guys basement aquarium out to open water that we dont know about ???

I in no way support bucket biology. And after all of the controversy this thing caused awhile back, and the fact that he knew that he had been reported, he will probably agree that he deserved the ticket out of plain bone-headedness.

I concur with John hovever. 90% of the fish that you people fish for and routinely post reports about, are non-native speices, most of them introduced by the DWR.

It reeks of hipocracy !!!

I could smell the warnings in some of the previous posts on this thread though, that we had better get back to talking about the fact that we can now ice fish at Hunnington , and that the water at Strawberry is 40.2 degrees and white jigs work well.

After all, I belive it was made clear to all of us that THAT is what this board is for, and not for a broader discussion of the issues that affect the future of fishing in Utah.

It's tough to disagree with a thermometer...


When in doubt, do the right thing... The rest of the time, do whatever you think you can get away with !

While I doubt that there is an underground waterway from his aquarium to open water, we still can't confirm his intentions. He may have wanted to feed his Oscars. He may have wanted fresh bait for the next time he went to Yuba. Those who fished it a few weeks later mentioned that the swarms of minnows were gone and probably out of reach for anyone who wanted to catch any more for bait. But he still broke the law, and then lied about it to all of us on this board. Would he be trusted to not put them someplace else? Not by me.

And yes, we would all be fishing a lot differently if the UDWR had not transplanted non-native fish into most of our waters. But that is not hypocracy. It's their job. We live in a society. We vote, and elect officials to office. They appoint people to positions of authority. They (the UDWR) are the ones in charge of the fisheries of this state. We let them decide.


And I'll bet that you fish for them too. If not, I apologize for making that assumption. I just figure that if you are posting on this site that you enjoy fishing.

Fishrmn

Justice can be bitter sweet. I think most of us would like to believe what people tell them. Give them the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure CP has heard about every story in the book to try to justify illegal activity, which will make him a little more calloused, but for the most part, poeple don't always assume someone is a liar. Heck I work in an ER, and we get armloads of liars, and yes that makes me a little jaded, but hey we are all human. What he did was wrong, and it looks like he'll have to pay the piper, but everyone makes mistakes. Like TD said that if we learn from our mistakes, we are better people. I've not had the chance to meet the slayerace, but hey I wouldn't mind fishing with him. WnB, PBH and MB were right, and I was wrong. I say it's now water under the bridge. I respect all of your opinions, even if we disagree. I think it makes us better in the long run. I hope that anyone that transports fish illegally gets their just dues (situation conditional), but we don't need to nail them to a tree if they change their ways.

Good article. Sounds like Brett Prettyman surfs this site often. Anybody know if he's a "guest" (we'll call it), or if he's a registered user? TubeDude, is that you? J/k! Seriously though, I enjoy that guy's articles and bought his book on fishing Utah, and it's very informative. It covers almost every single body of water in the state (including a lot of tiny places that you wouldn't think would be in there).


Skunk happens when you fish with Mike!

BRING ON THE ICE, BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!

So everybody with fresh water fish in their aquarium are just as guilty as Slayerace. They could potentially ruin all of our fisheries buy dumping their fertile exotic fish into our fisheries.

And people shouldn't be allowed to have guns because they could potentially kill somebody.

Come on guys he had six fish in an aquarium, what's the big deal.

I'm sure everybody on this board has been guilty at one time or another. I know I have.

I have to admit he was quite foolish for not getting rid of those minnows, after hearing all the bawl babies saying their going to snitch on him.
SELECTIVE HARVEST

No, they are not as guilty as Slayerace. There are provisions in the law that allow you to buy, transport, keep, and raise tropical fish. You cannot own, transport, or possess live non-game fish that are not considered tropicals.

Fishrmn

you guys should really look for some facts before spouting off. I actually talked to the officer right after he went over there and the fact was slayerace didn't know the fish were in the other aquarium. He gave the aquarium that they were originally in to his son and his son was supposed to have cleaned it out and gotten rid of the minnows. Instead he put them in a basement aquarium slayerace uses to grow aquatic plants for the other aquariums and believe me that officer had to look really hard to find any, that tank is full of plants and they are thick, hence the reason slayerace didn't even know the fish were there in the first place. So please put this to rest and give the guy a break, he didn't decieve anybody.
jed

WELL HE SCEWED UP. HE GOT A LESSON. WETHER OR NOT HE LIED? BUT HE STILL OK IN MY BOOK. I KNOW HIS INTENTIONS WERE NOT TRANSPLANTING ONES. I BET HE WAS THINKING HE COULD RAIS HIS BAIT. BUT NONE THE LESS THE STATED GAVE HIM THE PRICE OF HIS LESSON. ITS OVER. I SHOT A DEER FOR A FREIND ONE TIME AND GOT CAUGHT. I DID IT AND PAYED FOR IT. IVE NEVER DONE IT AGAIN, AND SO LERNED A LESSON. HE IS VERY UN LUCKY TO HAVE THE WHOLE STATE SEEING IT IN PRINT. THUS A BIGGER LESSON. KILL THE DAM MINNOWS!!!!!!!!
fishing for a deal on a new car or truck I can hook you up. fishing is life everything else is just details.

Out of curiousity, how do you figure the DWR is illegally dumping. They (& Utah politicians) make the rules. And they have biologists that work for them .
Really they do!
I know some.












I'm with stupid.

You know, I was kind of angry that he lied about the minnow being alive and not having just one like he claimed, but after jed's post about us needing to learn the facts, I guess I was wrong. Leaving it up to someone else who could have just dumped them out in a canal or pond makes him even more of a moron in my book. Good job Jeb, you made him look even more like an idiot. Just don't let us know if he killed anyone and the circumstances behind it as well, you'd be a pretty poor lawyer.
inspirational lyrics and melodious sonnets can save the world one person at a time-- Michael Bolton.

hey TD you know whats realy funny about all this?

i can run down to the local pet store and get 10 or so pond carp and drive any where in the state i want to go.. with not a word being said to me from anyone..

and them pond carp can live in any lake in the state and infest it in no time!!

now what would be worse fatheads in a lake that could be a good pray fish for the lake.. or carp that would destroy the lake in a matter of years?




Ron


artificial intelligence is no mach for my natural stupidity

He who laughs at himself never runs out of things to laugh at.