CWD

[lonehunter]

So we finally got the CWD and a ban on baiting .
The plan was developed 6 years ago untill the DNR could figure out how to handle the situation , as usual the DNR sat on their rumps and did little or nothing during those years .

So what now ? All baiting is banned , there goes my bear bait pile of corn and other sweet stuff , all on the list , all removed to a dumpster .

Is our "wild deer " contaminated ?

Nope, not as far as anyone knows , it is limited to the one pennend in ranch , others are under investigation .So why the ban ?

To save the herd says the DNR , my opinion , DNR dropped the ball once again by not figuring out a plan such as they did for the TB zones .

My guess is that bating will resume AFTER the 2008 deer season ends .

Baiting right now would be a little foolish , even so , I did see that mineral rocks were sold out at Jay's in Clare . Rocks weren't banned , just about everything else was .

This year aught to be a little interisting to say the least , will the order stay in place , will it be dropped in time for the season , will it be ignored or followed ?
Time will tell .

The apple trees in our area didn't do too well in my hood , that late frost killed most of the blossoms .

Ya just might have to find yourself a good stand of oaks for some hungry deer this fall .

Me , heck I'll do m,y normal routine , scouting , tracking and using the scents to bring in some venison .
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[bassass]

they can still sell deer feed ..... just cant feed the deer lol
time to learn how to hunt the old way like you used too....
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[Jaackrabbit]

We have 150 acres of soybeans and another 200 acres of corn........

My point being.......

WE'VE BEEN FEEDING THEM ALL SUMMER LONG !!!

I wonder how much this is going to effect Michigan's slugging economy. I have no idea how much money is spent on deer feed but I'd have to imagine it's quite a lot.

We were thinking of leaving a few rows of corn near the tree line up this year. Think we will get in trouble if we don't harvest it?
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[davetclown]

I remember the days when the dnr paid farmers to leave corn standing though the late season in to march.

I am not sure if it realy has to do with cwd or not... could be some one dosnt want to compete with hunters for corn and other good alcahol producing growths, ya know like ethenal type people [crazy]

but who's to say, many a feild around my area went un planted this year, If there was so much demand for corn you would think every farmable acre would have been sewn... I dont know, but some times coincidances shure do seem to be lining up one right after another...

any way I never was much of a baiter, an apple or two I packed in for lunch was about it for me if that....

I saw so much over baiting and perminant blinds last year on state land I thought for sure some one was going to get busted. not the case.... worst part was after the end of october you could see the stand and bait pile from the road [crazy]

well if elegle bating dosnt go rampant this year, I think more hunters will see deer as aposed to fewer hunters taking most of the game. I guess there is pro's and con's to every side of the coin....[crazy]

I picked up my cwd antlerless permit today. lets see if the state will send in part of the deer for testing from the check areas [crazy] you'd think they would if it were an issue [crazy] If they do a lot of testing at the check stations you know cwd is a concern, if they dont you know the ban on feeding the deer had to do with compition with ethenal people.... As my grandaddy alway said, "You cant live a lie"
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[bassass]

ya Dave I remember when u would take 2 or 3 apples out to the woods and that would be your bait ..take a bite toss the rest on the ground ....find a good run ..and sit
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[davetclown]

ya know, this year you are allowed 7 deer in area 3. isnt that just plumb crazy?

two bucks and 5 privet land doe permits...

this year the book dosnt say any thing about public land permits, I am guessing you can still by them untill they run out [crazy]
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[bassass]

Shoot in my area its shoot on sight...... don't see that in the book yet do ya? lol
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[lonehunter]

7 deer for the regular hunting areas , 452 is unlimited again , that just ain't right !

They slapped the ban on the baiting and feeding , tossed in mineral blocks to boot .
Now the thing that bugs me is that bait dosen't carry the CWD , does it ?

How come the MiDNR in all it's wisdom didn't slap a ban on possible tainted deer piss and tarsal glands that are being imported across state lines from CWD AND Bovine T.B. infected states ?

Kinda makes you wonder who the DNR is going after and why .
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[HuckelburryFinn]

I take it you guys have real smart deer in your area, that is seeing hows they know the differance betweenst a pile of deer food and a pile of bird food under a bird feeder.

Or did they put a ban on bird feeders too?
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[HuckelburryFinn]

you better get on out there and put u up a sign that says no deer crossing or picnicking allowed. lol
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[bassass]

DNR kill them all........ Im so happy there is no feedin
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[davetclown]

I talked to a horse today....

here is what he told me...


[ul][li]the infected deer in the pen was killed and went in for testing.[/li][li]the entire herd in that pen was killed off...[/li][li]Testing will be done around the state in every county.[/li][li]in kent county, and each neighboring county surounding kent county 300 animals from each county will be tested for the deseaseCWD.[/li][li]in all other counties around the state 50 deer will be tested for the desease CWD. [/li][li]10 deer from every county around the state will be tested for TB[/li][/ul]

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If you take a deer, you need to know this....

[ul][li]The state is looking for deer showing signs of illnessess before being concidered for testing.[/li][li]the deer needs to be at least a year and a half old to be concidered. "Meaning no bamby spots"[/li][/ul]

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according to the horse I talked to, every thing should go back to normal next year....
this is the precaution they had put in place should a deer with the desease show up....

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[davetclown]

that probably has much to do with the TB problem in that area... TB is passed from farm to farm by not only transfer of livestock and unprocessed manure, but by passings of deer, elk and lets say it, Moose.... "ya I want to hunt moose in michican"

[url "http://www.michigan.gov/documents/MDA_2005_BTB_Report2_148142_7.pdf"]http://www.michigan.gov/documents/MDA_2005_BTB_Report2_148142_7.pdf[/url]

[url "http://www.michigan.gov/documents/BTB_Udate_136339_7.pdf"]http://www.michigan.gov/documents/BTB_Udate_136339_7.pdf[/url]

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[davetclown]

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[center]Consumer Warning
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[right]September – December 2008
[center]The state's first case of Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) was confirmed in a three-year old white-tailed deer from a privately owned cervid (POC) facility in Kent County on August 25, 2008. As a result, all POC facilities in Michigan were quarantined.
[center]Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) is a fatal neurological disease that affects deer, elk and moose. Infected animals display abnormal behavior, progressive weight loss and physical debilitation. CWD is believed to be caused by infectious, self-multiplying proteins (prions). Prions are normal cell proteins whose shape has been transformed, causing CWD. To date, CWD is not known to cause or be associated with disease in humans. No increase in human prion disease has been observed in areas of the western United States where CWD has been endemic in cervid populations for decades.
[center]However, because much is still unknown about prion diseases, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization advise that humans do not consume animals that have been tested and are known to be infected with CWD. In general, people should not handle or consume wild animals that appear sick or act abnormally, regardless of the cause.
[left]CWD prions are primarily found in central nervous system tissues (e.g. brain and spinal cord) and the lymphatic system (e.g. tonsils, lymph nodes and spleen) of infected cervids. Humans should avoid the handling or consumption of these tissues. Hunters should wear disposable gloves while field dressing and de-boning meat from the carcass. Recent research has shown that CWD prions may also be found in the saliva and urine of the infected animal. Experiments conducted suggest that CWD prions can persist in the environment and may indirectly infect other susceptible animals that come into contact with the contaminated environment.
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The meat product you are receiving has come from a quarantined facility under surveillance for CWD. MDA recommends you take de-boned meat from the carcass, hold the meat product in a freezer and consume it only after the facility of origin receives clarification from MDA that the animal was negative for CWD.

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[lonehunter]

We have 570 "ranch hunting" places in Michigan , 70 so far have been cleared .
The remaining 500 ranches are not up to speed on compliance with regulations to keeping deer .

I kinda wonder if the DNR is just using this as an excuse to start a pizzing contest with the department of agriculture and the michigan legeslature to see who really runs the state .
I hope they loose bigtime .

The gladwin DNR is using a plane to fly treetop level searching every square foot of land private and public for signs of baiting .
I look at it as them spying on us and it tickes me off .
For a government department who was crying "were broke " a year ago they sure have a lot of money to pull this kind of stuff off .
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[davetclown]

What the officers told me at the deer check station was if every thing comes back clean, next year every thing will be back to normal...

and lets face it, if the dnr can see feed piles from a plain, those piles have to be pretty dallgone big... A lot more than just a couple gallons of corn spread across 30 feet in diamiter.... or three or four sugar beats chopped up.

I am sure they are looking for big time poachers with huge bait piles.....

I saw one last year where there must have been at least a pickup truck load of carrots on top of a large amont of beats with at least a half tone of corn. He had to be packing it in for weeks or had a whole lot of help....

Your not the one they are after, so you should feal fairly safe... Oh ya, I am keeping my automatic feeder in the chicken pen this year....
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[lonehunter]

I don't have to worry about baiting , the oaks are taking care of that [cool].
The squirrles are all over the place , i'de like to take my chair over and get my limit while i'm off but the mrs. would tan my hide if i did .
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[davetclown]

I was out hunting turkeys last week a couple counties closer to where they found the ranch with the infected deer...

I heard over the radio.....

so far this year, from reports at harvest deer check points, no further infected deer have shown up anywhere in the state.....

crossin my fingers and toes on this one....[crazy]

as for the urin lures in the bottle, they have perservitives in them and are good for several years..[] so if you have a bottle with some left in it, dont throw it away..[]
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[Jaackrabbit]

I thought it was just a ban on baiting. It's for scent lures too????
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[davetclown]

its a total banning on baiting and feeding of deer in the LB.

the lower half of the up only suplementary feeding is allowed, you can bait on the upper half of the UP.. be sure to check to see if the county is available to bait in..

as for lures, there is nothing there on that...

I think why not is because the urin is treated with perservativs and kills any living viruses. as for sents, well the deer dont eat them, they are bad taisting for any animal and is not food....

from any thing I understand, only naturaly grown/standing food plots are allowed... meaning if you planted alphafa last spring in a deer plot or a corn plot or beat plot and you are not disturbing it in a manner that makes it more assesable to the deer then there wont be any problems.

I dont know of any one growing sugar beats in the woods but if you do and you turn them up for the deer there could be problems...

but to answer your question in short, no, just a total ban on baiting and feeding of deer in the LP....

that dose in clude salt and minneral blocks this year as well...
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