03-22-2017, 01:22 PM
[quote TubeDude]
[#0000ff]To even think that Yuba is "controllable" is merely a dream. Every time DWR has made an effort to add fish...or manage what was already in there...Mother Nature has come along and crashed the party anyway. As I have said A LOT...you can't manage the unmanageable.
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[quote dwayneb]I hear you and agree....a couple of thoughts...what's to stop this from happening again? Not much so many fish upstream spawning this will eventually happen again so why not go with the flow. Let the Pike and walleye be....survival of the fittest...you can manage a body of water so much until management kills it...sometimes you leave them to run their natural course....[/quote]
What you guys fail to see is that rotenone treatments are a way to manage populations.
Look at Scofield right now. That's a perfect example. If you "leave them to run their natural course" you will end up with a fishery that nobody fishes. It would be absolutely worthless -- just like Scofield today.
TD says it is unmanageable -- but you have to think different. You have two scenarios:
A. Leave it be. End up with a fishery that is stuck in a crash cycle more years than boom cycles. Over a 20 year period, you might end up with 4 good years.
B. Have rotenone treatment every 10 years. Over a 20 year period you'd have bad fishing for 4 years.
So, take 4 good years vs. 16 good years. Which would you prefer???
without rotenone, the fishery sits in misery year, after year, after year. With rotenone you get to hit the "reset" button every 10 years, sacrifice 2, and enjoy the other 8 years of "fast growth rate" fishing!
You guys look at rotenone as a "failure" option -- but it is exactly the opposite. Rotenone is a reset button for great fishing for a period of time.
TD is correct -- Yuba populations are unmanageable, if left to mother nature.
One other thing: Mother Nature does not "balance". Rather, she exploits. She exploits an advantage. Once that advantage is grasped by a species, that species continues to exploit that advantage to the demise of themselves. That's a boom and bust. That is not balance.
Rotenone that sucker and reap the rewards of fast fish growth on the rebound!
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[#0000ff]To even think that Yuba is "controllable" is merely a dream. Every time DWR has made an effort to add fish...or manage what was already in there...Mother Nature has come along and crashed the party anyway. As I have said A LOT...you can't manage the unmanageable.
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[quote dwayneb]I hear you and agree....a couple of thoughts...what's to stop this from happening again? Not much so many fish upstream spawning this will eventually happen again so why not go with the flow. Let the Pike and walleye be....survival of the fittest...you can manage a body of water so much until management kills it...sometimes you leave them to run their natural course....[/quote]
What you guys fail to see is that rotenone treatments are a way to manage populations.
Look at Scofield right now. That's a perfect example. If you "leave them to run their natural course" you will end up with a fishery that nobody fishes. It would be absolutely worthless -- just like Scofield today.
TD says it is unmanageable -- but you have to think different. You have two scenarios:
A. Leave it be. End up with a fishery that is stuck in a crash cycle more years than boom cycles. Over a 20 year period, you might end up with 4 good years.
B. Have rotenone treatment every 10 years. Over a 20 year period you'd have bad fishing for 4 years.
So, take 4 good years vs. 16 good years. Which would you prefer???
without rotenone, the fishery sits in misery year, after year, after year. With rotenone you get to hit the "reset" button every 10 years, sacrifice 2, and enjoy the other 8 years of "fast growth rate" fishing!
You guys look at rotenone as a "failure" option -- but it is exactly the opposite. Rotenone is a reset button for great fishing for a period of time.
TD is correct -- Yuba populations are unmanageable, if left to mother nature.
One other thing: Mother Nature does not "balance". Rather, she exploits. She exploits an advantage. Once that advantage is grasped by a species, that species continues to exploit that advantage to the demise of themselves. That's a boom and bust. That is not balance.
Rotenone that sucker and reap the rewards of fast fish growth on the rebound!
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