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Pineview drive by and related info
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(09-20-2021, 01:16 PM)dubob Wrote:
(09-20-2021, 02:33 AM)Gone Forever Wrote: We can all write our congress people and senators to let them know we are not happy having access cut off by a private company from lands that are property of the public.
Absolutely need to write your FEDERAL representatives in Washington.  Primary Representative would be Blake Moore as Pineview resides in his district.  And of course, both Senators Mike Lee & Mitt Romney.  Writing to Representatives Stewert, Curtis, & Owens wouldn't hurt either, but Pineview isn't in their district.  But here's the thing about Utah Recreation (the private company); they only MANAGE the property during their contract period which begins in May(?) and ends in September.  Once they close up shop for the season, then the area is controlled 100% by the Park Manager (a Federal USFS employee) whose office is in Ogden, UT.  Blaming a private company for the loss of access to Pineview during the off season is pointless.  The blame for loss of access rides 100% on the shoulders of said Park Manager.  But before you go postal on him, try walking in his shoes.  I've talked with him on the phone, and he has valid reasons for his actions.  The enemy is us - John Q Public.  Some of us can't play nice and respect that which is collectively ours - Federal venues.  The vandalism and destruction of property is real.  And the Park Manager has to deal with tight budgets and being understaffed in the off season.  Your letters to your Representative/Senators might be better received if you address both sides of the issue (yours & the Park Managers) and offer some solutions to make it work for both sides
I can agree with that.  But dispensing with the vandals and pigs is the solution, not the gate it off attitude of the Park Manager.  
I recommend, to start, cameras.  Remote internet monitoring cameras are cheap and provide good security in both daylight and night.  I understand locking the bathrooms, but leave a dumpster.
The parking lot plowing is an expense for sure but we pay fees to help cover that.  They don't have to plow the whole lot.  Just a loop around the outside 4 passes wide and take off. And only when it snows. They manage to keep a lot plowed out at the Monte Cristo gate for snowmobiles and their trailers, That same truck has to drive almost right by Port Ramp from Ogden.
It's not like there are as many ice fishers as there are boaters in the contract period.
As far as the fee, in the off months the honor system is used on many FS properties to collect the fee and a camera would help enforce that as well.
Still we need to write, Morgan for sure, Lee, Romney, Stewart for me because although this is not in his district, I am in his.
Last we need to be diligent too, most of us have a camera, we don't have to confront the vandal or people we see doing these things that make it more expensive to accommodate us.  Take the picture/video and leave unnoticed.  Then send it to the Park Manager.
How would we do that Bob.  You've spoken with him.  Has a dialogue even been attempted with the park manager about this?
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RE: Pineview drive by and related info - by dubob - 09-20-2021, 01:16 PM
RE: Pineview drive by and related info - by Gone Forever - 09-21-2021, 12:34 AM

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