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[url "http://www.westdenvertu.org/NZMS/waderbootinfo.htm"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]http://www.westdenvertu.org/NZMS/waderbootinfo.htm[/size][/green][/font][/url]
[font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Wading Equipment Compatibility with Cleaning Solutions
[/size][/green][/font] [left][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]The information listed below was developed from email responses provided by the manufacturer. If the manufacturer is not listed a request for information was not requested. I had asked all of them the following in May of 2006:[/size][/green][/font][/left] [indent][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]I want to know whether or not all your wading shoes and waders will survive repeated soaking in any or all of the following solutions.
Bleach - 10 - 20% in water - 10 minutes soak. (whirling disease)
Copper Sulfate - 3/4 of teaspoon per gallon of water - 5 minutes
Commercial Solutions Formula 409 Cleaner Degreaser Disinfectant (Clorox Corp. - available at Home Depot, Lowes) - 50% in water - 10 minutes.
Formula 409 All Purpose Cleaner Antibacterial Kitchen Lemon Fresh - 50% in water - 10 minute soak
Sparquat 256 (a Quaternary ammonium formulation with low pH) by Spartan Chemical Corporation - 6 oz per gallon of water. 10 minute soak.
Benzethonium Chloride (pure) 7.34 grams/gallon of water. Five minute soak.
[/size][/green][/font][/indent][font "Poor Richard"][size 3][green]Chemical Solutions
y = compatible, n=not compatible, p= probably OK but not tested,
tbd= testing to be done, s = unknown amount of degradation,
unk= Mnfr does not know ; "-"= no response Manufacturer Model [/green][/size][/font][url "http://www.westdenvertu.org/NZMS/formula409pic.htm"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Formula
409[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]®
Disinfectant
50% [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.westdenvertu.org/NZMS/coppersulfate1.htm"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Copper
Sulfate[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]
252mg/L Cu [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.westdenvertu.org/NZMS/sparquat1.htm"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Sparquat[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]®
QAC
6 oz./Gal [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.westdenvertu.org/NZMS/benzethoniumchloride.htm"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Benzethonium Chloride[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] - QAC
1940 mg/L Bleach
10%
*1 Salt & Water
1% Vinegar
100% Simms *2 Wading Boots - all y p, tbd p, tbd p, tbd y Simms *2 Gore-Tex - G3 y p, tbd p, tbd p, tbd y Simms *2 Gore-Tex - Classic Guide y p, tbd p, tbd p, tbd y Simms *2 Gore-Tex - River tek y p, tbd p, tbd p, tbd y Simms *2 Gore-Tex - L2 y p, tbd p, tbd p, tbd y Simms *2 Gore-Tex - Guide Pants y p, tbd p, tbd p, tbd y Simms *2 Gore-Tex - Light weights y p, tbd p, tbd p, tbd y [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.simmsfishing.com/za/SIM?PAGE=CONTACT_MAIN"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Simms[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] *2 Gore-Tex - Bootfoots y p, tbd p, tbd p, tbd y Simms *2 Freestone tbd tbd tbd tbd tbd Simms *2 Travel Waders tbd tbd tbd tbd tbd [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.patagonia.com/"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Patagonia[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] Wading Boots y y - y s Patagonia Waders y y - y s [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.korkers.com/"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Korker[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] Wading Boots p p p p y [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.stearnsinc.com/hodgman/default.aspx"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Hodgman /Stearns[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] Waders /Boots p p p p p [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.williamjoseph.net/"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]William Joseph[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] Wading Boots unk unk unk unk y [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.orvis.com/intro.asp?dir_id=2204&subject=259"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Orvis[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] Waders - - - - - Orvis Wading Boots - - - - - [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.dan-bailey.com/"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Dan Bailey[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]
Waders y y - y s Dan Bailey Wading Boots y y - y s [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.llbean.com/customerService/contactUs/index.html?feat=gn"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]LL Bean[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] waders/boots - - - - - [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.cloudveilfishing.com/"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Cloudveil[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] boots - - - - - [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.chotaoutdoorgear.com/"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Chota[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] waders/boots - - - - - [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.cabelas.com/products/Ccat600398.jsp"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Cabellas[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] waders/boots - - - - - [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.basspro.com/"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Bass Pro Shops[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] waders/boots - - - - - [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.weinbrennerusa.com/contactUs.cfm"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Weinbrenner Borger[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] Wading Boots - - - - - [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.sir-francis.com/"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Sir Francsis[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] Waders - - - - -
[/size][/green][/font][font "Poor Richard"][size 3][green]Sparquat 256 was not part of the CA DFG testing. It is a product the Colorado DOW has been using for years to sanitize their wading equipment and other equipment after exposure to Whirling Disease. (This is a quaternary ammonium compound cleaner)
Several organizations are now recommending fisherman not to use felt soles due to the ease that nuisanse species can get trapped in the felt and the felt is hard to adequately sanitize and rinse disinfectant back out.
For invasive species cleaning consideration Korkers recommends using their removable rubber base cleated soles.
The following notes are from the CA DFG Testing Report:
The report does not specify what brands / models of waders were tested.
Commercial Solutions Formula 409® Cleaner Degreaser Disinfectant: -" Cracking of the Rubber toe portion of the boots was observed. The cracking was similar to that observed for the boots exposed to the Pine-Sol solution. This cracking appeared to be surficial and did not appear to have compromised the integrity of the boots. Water did not continue to bead up on the exterior of the waders. However, they did not develop any leaks." Determined to be safe for wading equipment.
"Copper Sulfate (252 mg/L Cu) -" There were no observed changes in wading gear exposed to the copper sulfate solution. The fabric of the waders and the boots did not appear to have become stiff or brittle. Cracks were not observed in any of the rubber on the wader boots. There were no observable stains present on the outside or the inside of the waders. The waders did not develop any detectable Leaks. Water Continued to bead on the surface of the waders unlike those exposed to the benzethonium chloride, Pine-Sol® or Formula 409® Disinfectant Solutions." Determined to be safe for wading equipment.
"Benzethonium Chloride -" The only observed changes in the wading gear exposed to benzethonium chloride were minor, surficial cracking of the rubber toe guard of the boots similar to that observed with Formula 409® Disinfectant and a lost of surface water repellence ( beading of water) on the legs of the waders similar to that observed for Formula 409® Disinfectant. Waders exposed to benzethonium chloride did not develop any leaks. The Fabric in the waders or the boots did not appear to lose any flexibility." Determined to be safe for wading equipment. (This is a quaternary ammonium compound cleaner as is Sparquat 256)
Pine-Sol failed the test.
[/green][/size][/font][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Salt & Water (1% solution for 24 hours) and Vinegar (100% vinegar for 20 minutes) were not asked about in the request to manufacturers. These two solutions are general cleaning methods recommended by the national "Protect Your Waters" campaign
*1 - Bleach may caused some discoloration of material over time. 100% bleach can severely affect waders. Bleach will not kill all NZMS but is effective for Whirling Disease and many other invasive plants and other organisms
*2 - These manufacturers listed individual models instead of providing a generalized response. [/size][/green][/font] [center][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]The above information has been interpreted from information provided by the manufacturer of the equipment.[/size][/green][/font][/center][font "Poor Richard"][size 3][green]Links to Sources of Information [/green][/size][/font][font "Poor Richard"][size 3][green]Waders and Wading Boots spread both the TAMS and myoxspore life stages of Whirling Disease ( this is a PDF file that may take a while to load). Felt soles are quite hard to sanitize and rinse.
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[url "http://www.westdenvertu.org/NZMS/waderbootinfo.htm"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]http://www.westdenvertu.org/NZMS/waderbootinfo.htm[/size][/green][/font][/url]
[font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Wading Equipment Compatibility with Cleaning Solutions
[/size][/green][/font] [left][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]The information listed below was developed from email responses provided by the manufacturer. If the manufacturer is not listed a request for information was not requested. I had asked all of them the following in May of 2006:[/size][/green][/font][/left] [indent][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]I want to know whether or not all your wading shoes and waders will survive repeated soaking in any or all of the following solutions.
Bleach - 10 - 20% in water - 10 minutes soak. (whirling disease)
Copper Sulfate - 3/4 of teaspoon per gallon of water - 5 minutes
Commercial Solutions Formula 409 Cleaner Degreaser Disinfectant (Clorox Corp. - available at Home Depot, Lowes) - 50% in water - 10 minutes.
Formula 409 All Purpose Cleaner Antibacterial Kitchen Lemon Fresh - 50% in water - 10 minute soak
Sparquat 256 (a Quaternary ammonium formulation with low pH) by Spartan Chemical Corporation - 6 oz per gallon of water. 10 minute soak.
Benzethonium Chloride (pure) 7.34 grams/gallon of water. Five minute soak.
[/size][/green][/font][/indent][font "Poor Richard"][size 3][green]Chemical Solutions
y = compatible, n=not compatible, p= probably OK but not tested,
tbd= testing to be done, s = unknown amount of degradation,
unk= Mnfr does not know ; "-"= no response Manufacturer Model [/green][/size][/font][url "http://www.westdenvertu.org/NZMS/formula409pic.htm"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Formula
409[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]®
Disinfectant
50% [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.westdenvertu.org/NZMS/coppersulfate1.htm"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Copper
Sulfate[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]
252mg/L Cu [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.westdenvertu.org/NZMS/sparquat1.htm"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Sparquat[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]®
QAC
6 oz./Gal [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.westdenvertu.org/NZMS/benzethoniumchloride.htm"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Benzethonium Chloride[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] - QAC
1940 mg/L Bleach
10%
*1 Salt & Water
1% Vinegar
100% Simms *2 Wading Boots - all y p, tbd p, tbd p, tbd y Simms *2 Gore-Tex - G3 y p, tbd p, tbd p, tbd y Simms *2 Gore-Tex - Classic Guide y p, tbd p, tbd p, tbd y Simms *2 Gore-Tex - River tek y p, tbd p, tbd p, tbd y Simms *2 Gore-Tex - L2 y p, tbd p, tbd p, tbd y Simms *2 Gore-Tex - Guide Pants y p, tbd p, tbd p, tbd y Simms *2 Gore-Tex - Light weights y p, tbd p, tbd p, tbd y [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.simmsfishing.com/za/SIM?PAGE=CONTACT_MAIN"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Simms[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] *2 Gore-Tex - Bootfoots y p, tbd p, tbd p, tbd y Simms *2 Freestone tbd tbd tbd tbd tbd Simms *2 Travel Waders tbd tbd tbd tbd tbd [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.patagonia.com/"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Patagonia[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] Wading Boots y y - y s Patagonia Waders y y - y s [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.korkers.com/"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Korker[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] Wading Boots p p p p y [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.stearnsinc.com/hodgman/default.aspx"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Hodgman /Stearns[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] Waders /Boots p p p p p [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.williamjoseph.net/"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]William Joseph[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] Wading Boots unk unk unk unk y [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.orvis.com/intro.asp?dir_id=2204&subject=259"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Orvis[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] Waders - - - - - Orvis Wading Boots - - - - - [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.dan-bailey.com/"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Dan Bailey[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]
Waders y y - y s Dan Bailey Wading Boots y y - y s [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.llbean.com/customerService/contactUs/index.html?feat=gn"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]LL Bean[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] waders/boots - - - - - [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.cloudveilfishing.com/"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Cloudveil[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] boots - - - - - [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.chotaoutdoorgear.com/"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Chota[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] waders/boots - - - - - [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.cabelas.com/products/Ccat600398.jsp"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Cabellas[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] waders/boots - - - - - [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.basspro.com/"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Bass Pro Shops[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] waders/boots - - - - - [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.weinbrennerusa.com/contactUs.cfm"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Weinbrenner Borger[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] Wading Boots - - - - - [/size][/green][/font][url "http://www.sir-francis.com/"][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Sir Francsis[/size][/green][/font][/url][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3] Waders - - - - -
[/size][/green][/font][font "Poor Richard"][size 3][green]Sparquat 256 was not part of the CA DFG testing. It is a product the Colorado DOW has been using for years to sanitize their wading equipment and other equipment after exposure to Whirling Disease. (This is a quaternary ammonium compound cleaner)
Several organizations are now recommending fisherman not to use felt soles due to the ease that nuisanse species can get trapped in the felt and the felt is hard to adequately sanitize and rinse disinfectant back out.
For invasive species cleaning consideration Korkers recommends using their removable rubber base cleated soles.
The following notes are from the CA DFG Testing Report:
The report does not specify what brands / models of waders were tested.
Commercial Solutions Formula 409® Cleaner Degreaser Disinfectant: -" Cracking of the Rubber toe portion of the boots was observed. The cracking was similar to that observed for the boots exposed to the Pine-Sol solution. This cracking appeared to be surficial and did not appear to have compromised the integrity of the boots. Water did not continue to bead up on the exterior of the waders. However, they did not develop any leaks." Determined to be safe for wading equipment.
"Copper Sulfate (252 mg/L Cu) -" There were no observed changes in wading gear exposed to the copper sulfate solution. The fabric of the waders and the boots did not appear to have become stiff or brittle. Cracks were not observed in any of the rubber on the wader boots. There were no observable stains present on the outside or the inside of the waders. The waders did not develop any detectable Leaks. Water Continued to bead on the surface of the waders unlike those exposed to the benzethonium chloride, Pine-Sol® or Formula 409® Disinfectant Solutions." Determined to be safe for wading equipment.
"Benzethonium Chloride -" The only observed changes in the wading gear exposed to benzethonium chloride were minor, surficial cracking of the rubber toe guard of the boots similar to that observed with Formula 409® Disinfectant and a lost of surface water repellence ( beading of water) on the legs of the waders similar to that observed for Formula 409® Disinfectant. Waders exposed to benzethonium chloride did not develop any leaks. The Fabric in the waders or the boots did not appear to lose any flexibility." Determined to be safe for wading equipment. (This is a quaternary ammonium compound cleaner as is Sparquat 256)
Pine-Sol failed the test.
[/green][/size][/font][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Salt & Water (1% solution for 24 hours) and Vinegar (100% vinegar for 20 minutes) were not asked about in the request to manufacturers. These two solutions are general cleaning methods recommended by the national "Protect Your Waters" campaign
*1 - Bleach may caused some discoloration of material over time. 100% bleach can severely affect waders. Bleach will not kill all NZMS but is effective for Whirling Disease and many other invasive plants and other organisms
*2 - These manufacturers listed individual models instead of providing a generalized response. [/size][/green][/font] [center][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]The above information has been interpreted from information provided by the manufacturer of the equipment.[/size][/green][/font][/center][font "Poor Richard"][size 3][green]Links to Sources of Information [/green][/size][/font][font "Poor Richard"][size 3][green]Waders and Wading Boots spread both the TAMS and myoxspore life stages of Whirling Disease ( this is a PDF file that may take a while to load). Felt soles are quite hard to sanitize and rinse.
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