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Letter to the Governor, Willard Bay inlet
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[#0000FF]Since you like to compare fishing to hunting, let's suppose that all of the deer in a particular hunting area were herded into one small field and then it was open season to any and all who wanted to shoot them. After they were decimated enough to not provide much good shooting the rest are let loose to repopulate the whole hunting area. That would never fly.

There are a whole lot of IFs in the reasoning on both sides. Biologists have no accurate way of knowing what the walleye populations REALLY are in Willard. All they know is what shows up in their nets on any given day in any given year. Then they make GUESSTIMATES as to what the rest of the population might be. Subject to radical inaccuracies.

If DWR biologists could provide accurate numbers for any given year...and profile them against the differing factors from year to year...that would provide a much more realistic basis for their statements that there are greater numbers now than ever. I say bull feathers.

Two years ago...before the inlet was opened...there were FAR MORE walleye showing up for anglers. And they were scattered all over the lake...in several year classes. This last year was much less productive for the "average" angler...after the spawn. The post spawn period saw very few walleyes being taken on the standard gear in the usual places. Later in the summer there were a couple of small areas that seemingly held good numbers of walleyes and some of the pros were able to take good numbers. But the total take was far less then in "average" years.

Just because a biologist tells me that there are more fish in the system does not mean that it is always true. All they really know is that they may have found more in a net on any given day. What if the fish had not shown up in their net? Would they have closed the lake to all angling? I think not.

Willard Bay is a big pond and the fish move around a lot. To sample one or two areas and judge the whole lake based on limited localized findings is not realistic. Kinda like the old parable of the blind men and the elephant...each coming up with an entirely different opinion of what the elephant was based upon the part of the anatomy they touched.

After two successive years of allowing "harvest" at the inlet I challenge the biologists to show us a greater population of catchable walleyes.
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[quote TubeDude][#0000FF]This last year was much less productive for the "average" angler...after the spawn. The post spawn period saw very few walleyes being taken on the standard gear in the usual places.[/#0000FF][/quote]

And this is more scientific than what the biologists are doing?

[quote TubeDude][#0000FF]After two successive years of allowing "harvest" at the inlet I challenge the biologists to show us a greater population of catchable walleyes.[/#0000FF][/quote]

I don't recall that they said that it would. They said it wouldn't affect the recruitment of Walleye from their spawn.
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[quote TubeDude][#0000ff]Since you like to compare fishing to hunting, let's suppose that all of the deer in a particular hunting area were herded into one small field and then it was open season to any and all who wanted to shoot them. After they were decimated enough to not provide much good shooting the rest are let loose to repopulate the whole hunting area. That would never fly. .
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Actually, this is exactly what we do with late season cow elk hunts. I'm heading out Friday to do my part in reducing the herd because it's population has gotten too high (again).
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[#0000ff]Different perspectives. One side makes wild guesses and tells the other that there are plenty of walleye and no reason for concern. The other side can't find the "surplus"...in spite of years of experience and developed knowledge. Not more "scientific" but more realistic.

Both sides have opinions of the opinions of the other.


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[quote TubeDude][#0000ff]Different perspectives. One side makes wild guesses and tells the other that there are plenty of walleye and no reason for concern. The other side can't find the "surplus"...in spite of years of experience and developed knowledge. Not more "scientific" but more realistic.

Both sides have opinions of the opinions of the other.

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And of course, none of the average Walleye fishermen could ever have a bad day of fishin'. Sometimes they ain't hungry. Maybe they're full of young Wipers. One thing about it, nets don't require the fish to bite, or be hungry.
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[#0000FF]Not talking "average" here. The "average" walleye pursuer caught very few (if any) walleyes throughout the entire year of 2013...after the spawn. There are maybe 2 dozen hardcore walleye specialists who fish Willard and even they were bemoaning the sudden drop in numbers...earlier in the summer, when they should have been "on the chew".

I maintain communications with quite a few Willardologists and fish it myself. When the diehard pros complain about not being able to find fish I don't tell them they are simply not doing it right. And I have been in boats with them...watching the sonar screen and seeing absolutely nothing in areas that are typically covered with walleyes. Days that would normally produce limits become days in which two or three fish is noteworthy. There was a 3 to 4 week period last summer in which several guys found enough fish to make for decent walleye fishing. And the precious few spots that were producing fish looked like small boat cities most mornings...until it was over. Around the rest of the lake...and for the "average" walleye angler...there were only a few cats and a stray wiper once in a while.

For biologists to make the claim that the walleye population is at an all time high is ridiculous. I have fished Willard for 4 decades...through thick and thin. Even fishing from my float tube I have had walleye days of over 40 fish in years past...along with plenty of the other usual suspects. I haven't fished Willard as much during the last couple of years but my walleye numbers per trip are way down. Like other walleye fans, I guess I must be getting worse with age and experience.
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[quote TubeDude][#0000ff]Different perspectives. One side makes wild guesses...[/#0000ff][#0000ff][/quote]

[size 3][#000000]One side makes wild guesses -- and you're claiming that it's the biologists making the wild guesses?? You sure it ain't the fishermen making those wild guesses? Isn't that what anglers are known for![/#000000][/size]



[/#0000ff][#0000ff][quote TubeDude]The other... years of experience and developed knowledge.
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And you think this is the anglers, and no the biologists?!





What's wrong with all of this? is this backwards day? Is my fly on the wrong side again?





Dude -- You can't be serious with that comment, can you? You keep talking about the biologists and how they haphazardly toss nets in on some arbitrary day of the year....They net the same areas year, after year, after year at the same time each year. This provides the biologists with historical numbers -- this is not wild guesses. This good data. They can see fluctuations in population numbers. How is this "wild guesses"??


Please tell me your comments are in jest.
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